Basic stuff -- BIOS version, Cool 'n' Quiet working?

Hi,
Okay, my new PC is up and running stable in WinXP Pro. Here are some very basic noob questions:
-How exactly do I determine my BIOS version? I thought I had v. 1.0 based on the loading screen during boot up, and SoftSandra, but MSI's Live Update says I have an equal or newer version than 1.2.
-How can I tell that Cool 'n Quiet is functioning properly? In Core Center, it appears that the CPU fan speed increases under load, but it doesn't happen right away so I'm not sure. Also, the CPU fan speed slider stays in the position I put it in manually, even after I switch back to Cool 'n Quiet (maybe this is just a GUI thing).
BTW -- I installed the Hyperion 4-in-1 drivers, enabled Cool 'n Quiet in the BIOS and set Windows power management to "minimal" -- is there anything else I need to do to enable Cool 'n Quiet functionality?
Also, should I just control the CPU fan manually through a drive bay fan controller instead of through Cool 'n Quiet?
Thanks,
-Ross

Hi
Glad to see we are down to minor bits and bobs.
The bios version should be at top of first post screen. use pause if its passes to quick.
BUT, live update checks what version you have, if there is a newer version it will tell you. there is a 1.33 available from MSI, but not on live update yet.
There are various threads on C & Q, I don't use it, but some who do like it, others confused by it, you have obviously read the threads. So you know more than me !!
Hyperion 4 in 1 is the best driver, if C & Q is working for you I would leave it be, the fan will speed up or slow down on temp. That will take a few secs time lag as chip heats up, or cools down. As long as CPU temp stays within norms, I would think is is working normally.
Enjoy it
Jocko

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