Batch edge sharpen or customized sharpen in RAW fine tuning

Do you apply a mild edge sharpen to all your pictures by default or have tweaked the sharpening default default in the 1.1 RAW fine tuning to your likeness or simply stick with the default in the RAW converter and just apply different amount of edge sharpening on an image by image basis?
Peter
Quad G5 Mac OS X (10.4.8) GT 7800

Thanks William.
My question was not primarily, whether you use the defaults for edge sharpen.
Let's explain it a bit more detailed:
Almost all pictures from DSLRs need sharpening to some extend. That basic sharpening usually is done in the RAW converter and can be adjusted with the RAW fine tuning since Aperture 1.1
Since Aperture 1.5 we have the new edge sharpen tool, which is said to give much better results than the old sharpen tool. Looking at the sliders I assume, the sharpening in the RAW fine tuning is done with the same algorithm that is used in the old sharpen tool.
So my idea was, whether it is probably better to trim down or even disable the sharpening in the RAW fine tuning and instead batch apply a small amount of edge sharpen to all my picture. Then tweak the edge sharpen on those pictures that need it.
So far my approach is to use the sharpening in the RAW converter usually set to the Apple default and additionally apply edge sharpen for individual pictures, if I think they need it.
Peter

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leonieDF wrote:
How do they differ after the last update? Ithink my Canon EOS 5D Mark II images now need less boost than before.
I have speculated elsewhere that software and camera manufacturers are pushing hotter and more "Disney-fied" defaults than they have in the past (and that these have always been "unreal"). My experience with a Sony a77 is that the newest RAW upgrade reverses (or calms) this trend.
The Sony a77 default setting under Apple RAW Compatibility Update 3 was too saturated and too contrasted (locally and globally). I pulled back Boost to 0.7 and Hue Boost to 0.6, and left the rest the unchanged. Under RAW Compatibility Update 4.0, I don't have to make as big a change, and settled on Boost=0.93 and HueBoost=0.70. I also tweaked the other settings -- the biggest change there was putting moire to zero.
That said -- I am having significant repeatable color problems with my NEC wide-gamut PA271W monitor, so I am going to have to revisit these settings after I resolve that. I made the new settings based on the Retina display and an NEC 2490WUXi2. They produce images that look great. I have not printed any yet, but getting matching prints has not been a problem in the past.
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How do we create a custom preset that will automatically increase De-Noise when the images have a higher ISO?
JO

leonieDF wrote:
How do they differ after the last update? Ithink my Canon EOS 5D Mark II images now need less boost than before.
I have speculated elsewhere that software and camera manufacturers are pushing hotter and more "Disney-fied" defaults than they have in the past (and that these have always been "unreal"). My experience with a Sony a77 is that the newest RAW upgrade reverses (or calms) this trend.
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That said -- I am having significant repeatable color problems with my NEC wide-gamut PA271W monitor, so I am going to have to revisit these settings after I resolve that. I made the new settings based on the Retina display and an NEC 2490WUXi2. They produce images that look great. I have not printed any yet, but getting matching prints has not been a problem in the past.
Do you change any settings other than Boost and Hue Boost?

Understanding Aperture's RAW fine tuning ?

Dear Aperture Experts,
I have been trying to familiarize myself with the RAW fine tuning brick for a while based on both the manual and internet research. However, I feel I still do not sufficiently understand its functioning and even have more questions now. I have grouped them in two categories below and would very much appreciate any skilled comments.
I use Aperture 3.4.4 under OS 10.8.3 with Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 4.05.
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Philippe
A) Overall usage of the RAW fine tuning brick
Under which circumstances do you tweak Apple's default settings at all? I have seen people advocating they never ever change anything here stating it would be almost impossible to achieve any better result compared with the default, whereas others claim the very first thing they do for each and every picture is adjusting the raw decoding parameters, this being the whole gist of using a RAW workflow.
It appears that except for the moiré/radius settings there are adjustment bricks that can achieve similar processing as the other RAW fine tuning parameters. Under which circumstances would it then be preferable to use the RAW parameters rather then a corresponding adjustment?
Apple's default decoding settings are dynamic in the sense that its not just a fixed set of parameters applied to every image. Rather, I could observe that at least two different De-noise settings are applied (with my Canon EOS 7D) depending on the ISO speed: 0 up to ISO 1600 and 0.1 for 3200 and higher ISO speeds. 2a) Are there other parameters that are dynamically changed according to image properties? 2b) Is there a way to keep this dynamic behavior in self-defined presets for parameters that have not been touched, e.g. keeping ISO depending de-noise while using a lower hue boost value? Note that on the opposite it appears impossible to save a preset without changing at least one parameter from the Apple default. This means that you cannot automatically (e.g. at import) apply a static (rather than dynamically changing e.g. according to ISO) set of parameters being identical Apples's default. Strange.
Is there a way to automatically apply different sets of RAW fine tuning presets according to image properties at import time? I know there is the possibility to trigger an applescript subsequent to an import process. Based on this I understand one could apply different adjustment presets therein, but I don't think this applies to RAW decoding presets as well.
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I think I understand boost/hue boost. No question here
At first glance, sharpening is clear as well. However, I do not really understand how this parameter interrelates with the associated details slider (which used to be an "edge" slider in previous versions, suggesting a different function). When should I tweak one rather then the other? It appears that for my camera those two parameters are always set to 0 in Apple's default. I cannot believe no sharpening is required at all.
I understand that moiré/radius work together, but do they interact with De-noise (which is located in the same section), or is the latter independent from the former pair?
Can the moiré parameter pair be used to reduce chroma noise? I did not succeed at it, the only effect I observed was a hue change in some areas. Does it mean this slider (pair) is restricted to eliminating color fringes along edges in repeating small sized patterns?

That's true, because i've exported the images from my Aperture Library to my desktop (original JPEG settings from Aperture), and at that time i maked the snapshot of the EXIF, but here is the EXIF FROM APERTURE::
http://www.ldbproduction.nl/EXIF_Aperture.jpg
There are what changes in the RAW and JPEG:
So is the pixel size different, the color Depth by JPG is 8 bit and by the CR2(RAW) file is it 16 bit.
And the most stranged thing i see now is that the JPG version is using the sRGB-profile and the RAW used the Adobe RGB (1998), i realy don't know how to handle that in the camera! There is only one choice to make.

Aperture 3 with Nikon D90 - How should raw fine tuning look like?

I try to trouble shoot my Aperture 3 (trial) installation. I have some troubles with the raw fine tuning controls and after reading the manual (again) I noticed that the fine tuning controls I get for my D90 are different from the ones displayed in the manual.
I get boost, hue boost / sharpening, edges / moire, radius, noise-reduction sliders.
In the manual there is no noise-reduction slider, just a check box for Auto Noise Compensation.
I got that control in Aperture 2, but not in Aperture 3. Now I’m wondering if something went wrong with my Aperture 3 installation. That would explain the problems I have with raw fine tuning. But before I try a complete clean install of my Mac i would like to know if I get the right raw fine tuning controls in Aperture 3.
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Go to your d7100 shooting menu and choose NEF (Raw) recording > Type
Choose N Lossless Compressed
Then go to NEF (RAW) Recording > NEF (RAW) Bit depth
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You were given good advice that you should not mess with the raw fine tuning brick in Aperture 3.6
Your d7100 has a default RAW import preset - make sure you have somehow not changed that Apple Aperture coded
raw fine tuning preset - this could make all your images far less sharp on import. You can easily revert to the Aperture 3.6 raw import brick default for the d7100 if you have somehow changed it by error. And always be sure to use your Aperture loupe or full screen viewer when applying any adjustment bricks.
Finally be sure that you understand the differences between the Sharpen adjustment and the Edge Sharpen adjustment. Both of these are very sensitive and very different sharpening tools. I do not shoot with a d7100, but use other Nikon FX DSLR's and I have never felt that any of my NEF imports lacked either Sharpness or Edge Sharpness given the Apple Aperture default raw image digital converters for each particular Nikon body. Good luck.

RAW fine tuning v. general adjustments

I edit RAW images in Aperture2.
What is the difference between making edits in the "RAW fine tuning" window as opposed to the general adjustment windows? (for example, what difference is there between sharpening in RAW fine tuning v. general shapening adjustments.)
Is this related to "decoding" RAW images? What does that mean?

The RAW fine tuning drop down menu allows you to choose between two RAW converters/decoders....the one that Apple used in Aperture 1 and the one Apple uses in Aperture 2. I've never written a RAW converter, but I imagine it's like choosing between two developers when developing your film. They both produce an image from the RAW data but will do so slightly differently and you might prefer the result of one over the other. Chances are, the v2.0 RAW converter will be better just like an Agfa developer from 2000 is likely to be better than one from 1970.
The adjustments you make using the sliders sit on top of the basic image you get from the RAW conversion. The adjustments themselves shouldn't be any different in RAW 1.0 or 2.0, but because RAW 1.0 produces a subtly different base image to 2.0, the end result will be slightly different.
I'll be honest; I've never really looked for or noticed a difference between RAW 1.0 and 2.0, but there must be one or two.
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RAW Fine Tuning Instructions

Am I missing it somewehere? I can't fine instructions or a guide to "RAW Fine Tuning" in the Adjustments secction. There doesn't seem to be anything under the Help menu-with either guide.

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Sharpening – There are two parameters, each with its own slider: Intensity and Edges. Sharpening can also be turned off altogether, though as we noted above, the sharpening was looking pretty darned effective in our session with Apple’s Schorr.
Chroma Blur – For controlling the level of smoothing applied to colour noise. Like Sharpening, Chroma Blur can be switched off completely by setting the single slider, Radius, all the way to the left.
Plus, Auto Noise Compensation, a new type of noise reduction in v1.1 that factors in ISO and length of exposure. This is a checkbox, not a slider, and is therefore either on or off.

RAW Fine Tuning Dimmed out for D80 RAW Picture

When I open a "RAW" file taken with a Nikon D80, the "RAW Fine Tuning" options are all dimmed out in the "Adjustment" panel and won't let me make adjustments. It shows my camera properly as a Nikon D80, but none of the sliders (Boost, Sharpening, Chroma Blur, etc) will work.
Is there some setting I have to adjust, or is it something else?

There may be a simpler solution yet - when you first click a raw file, all of these options are greyed out until the "real" file loads. At first it just displays a preview, and while that is happening, stuff is greyed out - once the file loads, the controls become active.
So, just check if you have the same problem if you let the file sit there for a minute until it finishes loading Remember - Aperture is still pretty slow with big files (it just looks fast.)

RAW fine tuning 1.1?

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Hi,
It seems that some of the Raw Fine Tuning settings are greyed out depends on camera model. I noticed this with a nikon d1h and d1x. There are all options for images shot with the d1h but with the d1x the settings for chroma blur and sharpening are greyed out.
I checked apples aperture raw page http://www.apple.com/aperture/raw/ and found a list of supported cameras. Cameras providing optimized support are marked with an asterisk. Both D1X and D1H are marked but have different settings available. Maybe this is a bug.
What about your experiences?
Regards,
Eberhard

Customising the RAW fine tuning as default for importing. In Aperture 3

RAW Fine Tuning.
I use a Canon G11 PowerShot camera.
I’m being unsuccessful customising the RAW fine tuning as default for importing new files, so each new RAW file imported come into Aperture 3 with the changes from the Apple default.
All I want to do is: reduct the boost from 1.0 to 0.5 and Hue Boost from 1.0 to 0.5.
I made the said changes by moving the sliders.
Then from the cog wheel (in RAW fine tuning) click on save as preset ( give it a name )
I now see it in the list , I click on it - click save as camera default - it now say camera default next to my custom settings.
However when I import new RAW files into Aperture 3, it imports the file with the Apple settings not my custom settings that are marked with camera default.
NB, I had not problem changing the above in Aperture 2 - I have done it before and I believe I have gone through the procedure correctly
Can anyone please help
Thanks Martin

Hi Matthew
What I'm doing is: setting the RAW fine tuning camera default ( to my custom settings) , so all new files being imported into Aperture 3 will take my custom settings as they are imported into Aperture 3.
I did this will Aperture 2 without any trouble . now I have upgraded to Aperture 3 the RAW fine tuning camera default is Apples and I have to change it from Apples to my custom preset.
It shows I have changed the RAW camera default to my custom settings in the drop down list but when I import files - they take the Apple preset not my custom settings ? ?
Martin

Aperture 2.1 doesn't lift Raw Fine Tuning for Canon 40D

Anyone know what's going on here. I can lift all adjustments including raw fine tuning with all my cameras (Canon 1D Mark III; 1Ds Mark III; Mark IIN) except for the 40D. For some reason when I click the Lift button on 40D images the Raw Fine Tuning option in the lift hud doesn't appear. Only Adjustments, Main Rating, IPTC and Custom. I've tried quitting Aperture and restarting. I've also tried rebooting. Problem persists.

First, make sure that you are using full RAW files not RAWs. RAW s is a smaller size setting in the camera which has not been supported by Aperture in the past. Second, try rebuilding your Aperture database. I have a Canon 7d and use RAW. It works fine on my system. You can try reinstallation but if your problem is the RAW version or your database, reinstallation will not address the problem.

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Perhaps...
I can understand if Apple chooses not to support or to discontinue support for a particular image type, especially given the Fuji circumstances. And I appreciate the ability to do a 30-day free trial. I guess where I got a little irked is that I had to spend time troubleshooting a problem I thought should have been documented (it is not a bug; it was a decision that affects the availability of product features).
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