BCF2000 - assigning within Logic Control Mode

I am using a Behringer BCF2000 with Logic 7 Pro on a G4 powerbook. My BCF2000 is working fine in Logic Control Mode (USB Mode U-3), what I would like to do is add a few of my own parameters, mainly logic's tape delay feedback (as I make dub) to one of the dials, for example.
Also I would love to be able to trigger a few sound effects (maybe an exs patch) using an assigned button, for those on-the-fly dub vibes.
I sussed the patch editing and storing in the normal factory mode, but in Logic control mode, I can't seem to create my own patches and store them. Is this possible? and if so, how can I "learn" the functions like tape delay feedback.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!
Ben (Brazil)

I sussed the patch editing and storing in the normal
factory mode, but in Logic control mode, I can't seem
to create my own patches and store them. Is this
possible? and if so, how can I "learn" the functions
like tape delay feedback.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!
Ben (Brazil)
I have not been able to program mine in LC emulation
though I have been able to program the other presets.
Something I have not tried yet is trying to program the
many parameters in the controller assignments window.
I have discovered that by having the BCF in LCmode
going to the Controller Assignments window and
selecting expert and follow then clicking on
the different modes and such that the BCF
responds to what you are choosing on the screen.
I have not had the time yet to confirm this but
I believe the BCF is already preprogrammed to
do many of these in LC emulation. For example when I choose
track on screen the BCF would change its display
to "tr" and so on. This is a big discovery for me since
I new that in LCemulation the Unit was capable of
accessing all or most of what a Mackie Logic Control
unit could. I could never figure out how to get to those
parameters. This is one way to figure it out I suppose.
Behringer suggests that you read the docs for the Mackie,
I have not found this to be too helpful yet. Hope this helps.

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