BCS vs Former Budgeting

Hi Gurus,
What's difference between BCS vs Former Budgeting We are using version 6 and planning to implemnt fund management
which way is better for the business and its advantages.
Regards and Advance
Bharath

Hi,
With no doubt go for BCS; former budgeting is not supported anymore by SAP (in terms of developing new features) and BCS is much more flexible and efficient in budget management.
Here you can see the main differences (however there are more):
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7b/981b57da056c48904c8a9c0df67b51/frameset.htm
Regards,
Eli

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Former Budgeting Vs BCS

Hi Guys,
We have to configure the "Funds Management" Module for our client. What would you guys suggest we should opt for
1. Former Budgeting
2. Budget Control Systems
Appreciate and value your suggestion and if some one has the latest documentaion available for BCS, can you please forward or atleast tell us where to look for it.
Regards
Saqib

Hi Saqib,
Please find below mentiones some important point wise comaprison of both BCS Vs budgeting.
BCS:The functions in this component support budget planning, budget execution and allow you to monitor the availability of funds.The budget control system (BCS) in Funds Management is an alternative to former budgeting. BCS is designed to allow flexible customer-specific adjustments to all important functions. BCS is SAPs strategic budgeting tool.
Implementation Considerations:If you use the Grants Management component integrated with Funds Management, only BCS fulfills the prerequisites necessary for this. This also applies if you want to work with funded programs for the account assignment. The required FM account assignment elements Grant and Funded Program are only supported in BCS.
SAP does not intend BCS and Former Budgeting to be used at the same time. Therefore, menu transactions, functions and the necessary Customizing are separate.
If you want to use the budget control system as an operative budgeting tool in Funds Management, you must activate this in the Customizing of Funds Management, under Basic Settings->Activate Global Functions for Budget Control System ( BCS).
Integration:All other FM master data is also supported in BCS, as well grant and funded program master data.
BCS includes an integrated planning tool with basis functions for budget planning. If you want to use comprehensive budget planning, you can exchange data with SAPs Strategic Enterprise Management.
You can use BCS together with Position Budgeting and Control (PA-PM-PB).
The Business Information Warehouse System (BW) is intended as a comprehensive reporting tool for the budget control system, starting from Release 3.0B. You can upload your BCS planning data from BW. BCS only works with Funds Management and Grants Management, not with other components that can also budget.
Features: You can select the relevant FM account assignments as budget addresses and posting addresses from the entirety of the master data combinations, by using the functions of the Budget Structure.
·        Budget distribution and the assignment of posting addresses, budget addresses and availability control objects in BCS depends on the master data hierarchy, which you can define as you wish by using derivation strategies defined in Customizing.
·        Customer-definable budget types, entry document types and consistency checks in BCS Budgeting allow you to map the requests of your organization in the system.
·        Budget entry and budget update activities are based on documents and are logged in budget entry documents. You display and maintain these in the Budgeting Workbench.
·        Status Management allows you to subdivide the budget execution process in individual budgeting phases and define specific user roles through different authorization assignments.
·        The BCS Availability Control is a flexible tool that you can customize to monitor and compare budget values and commitment/actual values. This control allows you to use independent availability control checks simultaneously.
Restrictions:The budget control system delivered with the Enterprise-Release (EA-PS 1.10) is new and will be enhanced with additional functions in following releases.Functions such as revenues increasing the budget and releases are supported with release EA-PS 2.00. SAP also provides support for migration from Former Budgeting to BCS.
Note that BCS reporting functions are not designed for comprehensive management reporting. You must use the Business Information Warehouse system as of Release 3.0B. BCS is not intended for use by German Government customers.Because of the reasons given above, SAP recommends that you analyze your organizations existing functions and requirements.
Hope I had been able to help you. Please assign points.
Rgds
Manish

Migration from FB (Former Budgeting) to BCS - Commitments/Actuals

Dear Experts,
We are going to migrate our system from FB (Former Budgeting) to BCS, in the middle of the current year.
The migration activities deal only with Budget data migration.
My question is: How to migrate Commitments and Actuals ?
We use only Payment Budget
Please advise
Yaacov

Dear Yaakov,
Are you thoroughly clear on the concept and functionality of Budget Control System?
Compared to FB, BCS provides changes to 2 main functionalities in PSM-FM:
1, Budgeting/planning
2, Availability Control (AVC)
-> This means, that the processes / functionalities / technical details for commitments/actuals are not changed in any way by implementing / migrating BCS.
The BCS implementation changes the data structures for budgeting tables. That is why migration of data from old budget tables to new ones is needed (even this is not mandatory, if you choose to use old reports for old budget data). You can check budget table correspondency between FB and BCS here: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_rc10/helpdata/en/c3/2c344071c82b22e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
The main point is, that commitment/actuals data is not changed, and thus no migration for those is possible (or needed). The commitments remain to be updated in table FMIOI and actuals in table FMIT. You just need to use the new BCS reports to view for example budget consumption when BCS has been activated (for example report FMRP_RW_BUDCON).
Also, you might want to consider if the migration of the old budget data is overall an absolutely mandatory requirement. Technically, you do not need to run any migration, but you can use old FB reports for previous fiscal years and just simply load only future budgeting data into the BCS. At my customer it was decided that no migration is needed, and we went successfully live with BCS withtout any issues. For past fiscal years they will be using FB reports.
Best regards,
Mikko
Edited by: Mikko Seppänen on Jan 2, 2012 9:28 AM
Edited by: Mikko Seppänen on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 AM

Why upgrade from Former Budgeting to Budget Control System (BCS)

Dear experts,
My customer had upgraded his system to ECC6, and still uses the "Former Budgeting".
I want the customer to consider implementing BCS instead.
Please let me know where I can find the list of differences between FB and BCS, and the advantages of this act.
Regards,
Y.G.

Hi Yaakov,
You can look at this link:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7b/981b57da056c48904c8a9c0df67b51/frameset.htm
Basically, the main advantage is more flexibility in availability control and key figures reporting. However, you should also consider the fact that Former Budgeting is not supported anymore by SAP in terms of developing new features; all the development is done now only in BCS.
Regards,
Eli

Steps to migrate from former budgeting to BCS

can any one suggest the complete steps to migrate from former budgeting to BCS and what are the steps which are to specially cared of.

Hi,
Follow these instructions:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7b/981b57da056c48904c8a9c0df67b51/frameset.htm
They are quite complete and if you do not have any specific developments in your SAP system, then you should not encounter any problem during the migration process.
Regards,
Eli

Difference between Former budgeting and Budget Control System.

Dear experts,
I am looking for a document/guide which can explain the salient feature of BCS and how the same is more beneficial compared to Former budgeting.
Additionally, help is also sought on how to migrate from former budgeting to BCS upon upgrade in ECC 6.0?
Thanks in advance.
Manoj

Hi Manoj,
You can follow this link.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a6/17f53b9f150248e10000000a11402f/frameset.htm
It explains clearly the benefits of BCS as well as migration tools that SAP provides. If you do not have some non-standard enehancements in your Former Budgeting, then migration won't be a problem.
Regards,
Eli

Budget control system and former budgeting

Dear All,
Can anyone tell me the main difference between former budgeting and BCS.
Kind Regards,
Rajini.

Hi,
BCS is more flexible solution with much more firendly interface and many features in term of availability control. http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a6/17f53b9f150248e10000000a11402f/frameset.htm
Regards,
Eli

Former Budgeting Support

Hi All!
Can anybody help? I'm looking for any sap note or official doc regarding support of Former Budgeting. I found some posting on scn that it was not supported (new development) in 2009 already but failed to find any official info from sap. We need to know to start planing our transfer process to BCS (Budget Control System).
Any info would be appreciated.
Thank a lot!
Sasha

Hi Sasha,
I don't think SAP have issued any official doc or SAP note regarding support for Former Budgeting.SAP is still giving support for former budgeting.
But you can check sap note 880858, in this note SAP says to use BCS for new customers.
Regards,
Ankit K. Agarwal

AVC in Former Budgeting in document chain

Hi all,
We are working on former budgeting in ECC 6.0, every setting for AVC have been completed, including condition u201CAlways checku201D in u201CMaintain Availability Controlu201D.
We would like that the AVC executes in every activity of the document chain.
e.g.: If we have a PR for 1,000 USD, when we are creating a PO for that PR, we need to check the budget only on that predecessor PR document.
Desired scenario
PR for USD 1,000
The available budget is USD 5,000
The user tries to create a PO for USD 1,200 with reference to that PR
The system should issue an error message saying that there is an exceeding amount for USD 200
Thanks in advance,
Adriana

Hi Adriana,
This requirement has nothing to do with FM. FM checks availability on budget and not on the documents. You can consult your MM consultant to lock the possibility of opening PO on the bigger amount than PR. FM-AVC (former or BCS - does not matter) will check against 5,000 in your case; so with the PO in the sample the overall consumption would be 1,200 (still 3,800 available budget left).
Regards,
Eli

FORMER BUDGETING

Hi Experts,
We did all required settings for Former budgeting in R/3 4.7. Without any budget also system post the documetns. Can u please note me,is there ny programes required to run to check available control ?
Rgds
Suma.....

There is some problem in R/3.We executed SAP suggested program

Former Budget Tables

Hi,
Can any one help in which table we can find Commitment item for the budget enter along with fund center and amount (Entry document or Hierarchy Document data).
I have checked the following tables, none of the table have the account number, only fund center is available.
Former Budgeting Tables
BPBK      Hierarchy document header
BPDK      Entry document header
BPEJ     Hierarchy documt lines for annual budget
BPDZ     Entry document lines
Thanks & Regards,
Venkat

Hi,
Please check the tables
FMBL, FMBH, FMBDT
Anil

Migration from Former budgeting to BCS

Dear experts,
is there anybody who has experience with migration from FB to BCS?
If yes, which method have you used - from scratch, migrating totals or migrating documents and what
problems have you met during the course of migrating?
Thank you in advance,
Toni

Hi,
I did this migration in some 8-10 projects; all sorts of methods. Normally, if you follow the steps which are described in help.sap.com you should not encounter any problems, if you have no special developments done in FM.
Regards,
Eli

Commitment carryforward (Former budgeting)

Dear all,
After having upgraded from 4.6C to ECC 6.0, we tried to cancel commitment carryforward (RFFMCCFR) and we obtained the following message : "no item found for the reversal of the commitment carryforward". Table FMIOI is well updated with amount type 0350.
Can u help me ?
Thanks

Hello Jean-Didier,
After an upgrade, table FMIT might not be correctly updated, and this may also cause problems in CF processes.
Please have a look at this note and follow its instructions:
977016 FMIT: Missing totals records in Funds Management
check whether RFFMRC04 shows any inconsistency and let us know, Ok?
thanks and best regards, Mar

Procedure to carry forward Un-utilized commitment budget

Hi all,
what is the T.code & process to carry forward the "Un-utilized commitment budget" from one fiscal year to other fiscal year. ( since FR34 is in 4.6) please let me know new T.code & process in ECC6.0
Rgds,
Swathi.
Edited by: swathi fico on Dec 15, 2008 7:59 AM
Edited by: swathi fico on Dec 15, 2008 9:08 AM
Edited by: swathi fico on Dec 15, 2008 2:40 PM
Edited by: swathi fico on Dec 15, 2008 4:54 PM

Hi,
As per your request you want to know the transaction to carryforward COMMITMENT BUDGET.
Carryforward process with Former Budget
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If you are using Former Budget and you want to carryforward commitment budget, you should ONLY run the following steps:
Prepare Budget Carryforward (BPINDX05)
Carrying Forward Budget to the New Year (RFFMCF30).
Note that you can only carry forward commitment if the definitions made in the default settings for the year-end operations of Customizing for Funds Management Government allow this. For more information, see the IMG of Funds Management Government, section Enter Default Settings. Using program RFFMCFM1 Monitor Closing Operations, you can get an overview of the current Customizing settings.
The Commitment Carryforward must be executed before the budget carryover because the budget tied to the commitment is included in the calculation of the residual budget.
If you are using the function Revenues Increasing the Budget (distribution procedure), you must use the corresponding program to execute the budget increase. For more information, see Increasing the Budget in help.com.
Carryforward process with BCS
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You must define the parameters used for the commitment carryforward. Budget changes in the previous year and/or the following year depend on whether you use the statistics indicator for the commitment carryforward.
You should use transaction FMMPCOVR to run the carryforward process. Please check the documentation of this program (RFFMMP_COVR) via SE38. You will find not only information text but links in order to check all the needed customizing settings in order to run the carryforward process.
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You can find more information in help.sap.com in the menu:
Public Sector Management -> Funds Management -> Closing Operations -> Budget. There you have
2 submenus:
Budget Control System (BCS) and
Former Budgeting
I hope it helps you
Best Regards,
Vanessa.

How to build new basic key figures in library 4FM for different local curre

Hi Experts. I am working my reports with library 4FM. I need to create a new basic key figures in order to create a new report with severals currencies, like group currency or transaction currency.
Does anyone know how to do that ?
regards,
Ruth

Yes I did. they told me: "availability control only works with local currency. Transactional currencies are not supported in availability control (neither BCS nor Former Budgeting). The developer confirmed the information above. At this moment that thereare no plans to support transactional (non-local or non-FM area) currencies in BCS in a future release. I am really sorry, but I cannot provide you with a more positive answer,anyway, I propose you to refer to note 11. 11 Requested function is not in standard system. Note 11 will guide you to request the suggested changes, this is the correct channel and the chance to provide the requested functionality asstandard. Thank you very much for your understanding! "
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