Befor i make the buy. (Mac pro)

Newcommer saying Hello!
In a month or so i have saved up to get me my first ever apple.
since i am a musician nowdays on xp with cubase but realy want to upgrade i decided to get a Mac pro and Logic studio.
here are some questions for u.
how mutch ram would u rekomend?
can nyone tell me what brand of ram to get.. i heard good about kingston.
as for a second hard drive i belive seagate is used dono if its the 16bit or 32 bit.. i know seagate does good stuff so should i get a 16 or 32 bit seagat disk as second HDD?
i just learnd that the ATI 3870 will come to mac in the end of june.. will that be addable from mac store when i order my mac pro?
is there nything i should think of when i get this monster of love?
// M

A search of Google shows the Kingston RAM is fine.
A search of Barefeats shows various graphics cards and how they perform in OS X and Windows and with different games.
Intel is expected to release new cpu so based on past, you can expect to see Apple move to Nehlam sometime later, in '09, once they are qualified and time to test OS X and make adjustments.
No one knows if or when 3870 will be available from Apple, and because it is being sold as retail kit, they may not include as CTO part.
http://www.barefeats.com/harper17.html
http://www.barefeats.com/harper8.html

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