Beginners guide screwed|Is impossible to edit large pages on the wiki
When you're trying to edit a large page on the wiki you get this message:
WARNING: This page is 40 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.
Firefox can handle the 40kb but not the 107kb of the Begginers Guide for example.
And when you do a change, if you dont preview it you get a shiny blank page instead of the document.
I was trying to add one line to the Oficcial installation guide and ended up breaking it into two parts (i move the apendix to another page) to be able to recover it's contents.
Some other person form #archlinux that was helping me with this issue also accidentally override the text from the Beginners guide, and we can't roll back it. So, any WikiAdmin can roll back the changes on the Beginners guide? and tell us (the normal users) how to edit long pages.
Thanks
Last edited by __void__ (2009-01-21 16:34:47)
__void__ wrote:
When you're trying to edit a large page on the wiki you get this message:
WARNING: This page is 40 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.
Firefox can handle the 40kb but not the 107kb of the Begginers Guide for example.
And when you do a change, if you dont preview it you get a shiny blank page instead of the document.
I was trying to add one line to the Oficcial installation guide and ended up breaking it into two parts (i move the apendix to another page) to be able to recover it's contents.
Some other person form #archlinux that was helping me with this issue also accidentally override the text from the Beginners guide, and we can't roll back it. So, any WikiAdmin can roll back the changes on the Beginners guide? and tell us (the normal users) how to edit long pages.
Thanks
Some other person here, sorry about that accidental Beginner's guide trash up
Mr.Elendig wrote:For future reference, don't edit the whole page at once, just edit a section of it. When you are logged in, every section have a 'edit' button/link.
Got it!
Last edited by zaggynl (2009-01-22 09:35:03)
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000000000041E000 432K - r-x-- /usr/local/bin/glpsol
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00000000021F3000 4K - rw--- [ heap ]
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000000003F4E8000 4K 4K rw--- [ heap ]
000000003F4E9000 5152K - rw--- [ heap ]
000000003F9F1000 60K 4K rw--- [ heap ]
000000003FA00000 2048K 2M rw--- [ heap ]
000000003FC00000 6360K - rw--- [ heap ]
0000000040236000 368K 4K rw--- [ heap ]
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