Best Dual-Layer Media?

It has been my experience that SuperDrives are very picky about which media they will use. My PowerBook was like this and my new iMac is also picky. My question is, can anyone recommend a brand of dual-layer dvds that they have had success with?
Here is my exact internal drive:
MATSHITADVD-R UJ-85J:
Model: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-85J
Revision: FCQA
Serial Number:
Detachable Drive: No
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Low Power Polling: Yes
Thanks!

Here is a very good guide to use in purchaseing any media.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Cheers Don

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It has 4 tracks of content. 3 menus, and a bunch of chapter markers. The original build had stories (replaced with standard chapter markers) but I removed them hoping it would solve the problem.
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Thats just how compatible that media is... +R DL (double layer) & -R DL are not that compatible. Recordable media is less compatible that replicated discs but double and dual layer media can be 50% compatible at best (depending on your target market...)
Good quality media, Verbatim +R DL for example burnt at slow speeds helps improve things,
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I have recently upgraded to a MacPro, and have been really stoked about being able to burn to Dual Layer media. My previous G5 didn't have a DL burner.
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I used compressor and I used the DVD: Best Quality 90 Minutes setting. The bit rate is avg 6.2 and maximum 7.7. And yes I used ac3 audio.
When you say lowest speeds possible... shouldn't a burner that says it burns at a speed work at that speed? I'm cool with burning at a lower speed to get this thing to work, but why have a burner that burns DVD DL at 8x speed, when it doesn't work? Shouldn't it work? Why is it that it won't work?
If I get Verbatim DVD+R DL, can I burn at 8x speed with those?
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Writing to Dual Layer Media

I know the new Macbook can read Dual layer media (8.5gb), but can it write to these also?
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In theory, yes.
In practice, many find the superdrives in their apple notebooks to be fussy about media. And fairly slow burners.
I'd strongly urge that you use a tray-loading, external, firewire burner for any major project.
An external drive does not have the design constraints of these tiny superdrives that have to fit inside crowded notebooks.
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hi,
I have a new mini with the pioneer dvr-K06 superdrive.
Can anyone suggest DL media that have worked for them?
Both for iDVD projects and with Toast (I have iDVD 7.0.2 and Toast 8.0).
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Can anyone suggest DL media that have worked for them?
Exactly what Len Goff recommended.... It really is your best choice.
I've also had good results with Imation as you have discovered....but Verbatim is even better.
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Are there any plans to update OS 10.4.11 to include a firmware update for the DVD drive? Or has it already been changed in Leopard?
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Thanks - I'm going to give it a go today. Just from the general impression I have from numerous conversations and lurking around here and other sites there seems to be a growing consensus that Verbatim DVD media is the best (and possibly CD media as well). I usually tend to simply buy whatever is on sell in the week when I'm running low and Sony media has done well while with Maxell (usually the brand on sale!) I usually find a few clunkers in a spool (mind you this was with my MDD G4,and I had both slots tricked out with Pioneer 106's).
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I have a 2.4 duo core and need to know the best that people have luck with.
May say Verbatium -R DL but sometimes my machine spits it out, other times it does not.
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10 TDK +R

Really??
I heard they did NOT work that good, remember, I have a OLDER 2008 MBP 2.4 with Atapi recorder.
Maybe for the newer models? Not sure if I tried but know some that never worked.
Also, "+R" or "-R"
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Here are my specs from ABOUT THIS MAC:
HL-DT-ST DVDRW GSA-S10N:
Firmware Revision:          AP09
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Media:          To show the available burn speeds, insert a disc and choose View > Refresh

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I used HP branded media without any problems in the past. Now I got a roll of Ritek dual layer DVDs and most unfortunately the drive ejects them as if they were incompatible.
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Jurgen

If they're DVD-R DL discs then there's the problem. They should be DVD+R DL.

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Does anybody know what DVD +R or -R Dual Layer media is compatible with Macintosh (specifically, Dual 2.5 Ghz G5 running the Final Cut HD Studio.
I tried Fujifilm DVD+R DL and DVD Studio Pro 4 did not recognize the disc when I tried to build/burn the disc. The Apple Store does not sell any Dual Layer DVD media and Best Buy only had the aforementioned media available for sale.
What do the Hollywood studio use for their dual layer media?
Thanks!

Hi David,
I authored a dual layer DVD a few months back and had no problems with Memorex DVD+R DL media. They came in 15 disc packs.
I'm in Miami, so I can't say what the Hollywood studios are using for one-offs, but the dual layer DVDs you rent
from BlockBuster or NetFlix aren't recordable DVD media discs. They're DVD-9 discs from a replication facility.
Cheers and happy authoring,
Jeff

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Hi,
I just found out after I updated DSP 4 to version 4.0.3 my Layer 1 on every project since updating gets corrupted!
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http://documentation.apple.com/en/dvdstudiopro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=1%2 6section=9%26tasks=true
DVD+R Double-Layer
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