Best piece of advice for "New to COLOR"...

Sort of like a position statement:
I have been monitoring this forum since it started, having used FT for a bit more than a year now... and having been a dedicated daVinci/telecine colorist for 13 years...and an on-line editor for nearly 20 years before that.
Best piece of advice I can offer to new users of COLOR is:
(Drum Roll) Read the Manual! (Cymbal crash!)
NB: It's good. My compliments to the writer (who is known to the TIG).
So many queries have been posted here that are answered right there in print -- it depresses me to think that maybe Apple are quite right not to include it as a physical article, as so few apparently can afford to peruse it. Even available as a pdf than can be queried on the spot...
Count yourselves extremely fortunate, spoiled, in fact. There was NO MANUAL for Final Touch (to speak of) and less than a handful of people who actually knew what they were doing.
This is a very complex application dedicated to an enormously subtle and exacting task, and the number of ways that it can be used and abused is evidenced by the number of 'bugs' that are being complained about.
Color correction, or grading, is very unlike editing, to voice an opinion, having done both at length. Refer to that "Men Vs. Women" gag panel, where men are represented by an "on/off" switch and women are this ridiculously complicated array of knobs, wheels, dials, meters, multi-position switches, etc. On the other hand, though... I would have no use for "UNDO".... never had it in daVinci-land... don't miss it. But I use it extensively in Final Cut. There you go. Use the active memories, grade bins, room setting bins... There are just TOO MANY shadings of meaning that go into a grade that can be accomodated with DO/UNDO... and besides... BE DELIBERATE!
Happy to join the forum... Where possible I will answer queries with a "page number", and hope that it will be a better learning experience. But I accept that that will only apply to operations, and not colour grading itself. There is no manual for that, although there are books that discuss it. Easier to map human emotions on a quantitative basis. Even Goethe gave up on it.
Joe

I would
have no use for "UNDO".... never had it in
daVinci-land... don't miss it.
I'll use basemem or original mem as my undo on the 2k+. It's a sledge hammer and not nearly as graceful as command-z but it will work.
Regarding the writer of the manual, Alexis van Hurkman has published an excellent text on color enhancement/correction http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Training-Encyclopedia-Correction/dp/0321432312/r ef=pdbbs_sr1/104-2640225-5516717?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182436900&sr=8-1
I had the pleasure of meeting him at NAB and getting a personal demo of Color at one of the Apple pods.
Nice post, Joe, nice post.
Zeb

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