Best way to upgrade from Jaguar to Tiger?

I am upgrading from Jaguar 10.2.8 on my G4 DP1.25 machine to Tiger 10.4.3 and would like some advice on how to best do the upgrade before i start. This is my first time doing any real OS upgrade on my mac.
I used to do it all the time on my windows pc box and i'd always reformat the harddrive and start with a clean slate so to speak. That usually yeilded the best results for me. Should I start from scrtach on my mac as well or do the Archive and Install?
I am upgrading to Tiger so I can install latest version of Final Cut Production Suite and be able to take advantage of OS updates - so any thing that will help keep machine running clean and fast will help in the long run.
I have two internal drives and can make plenty of space to do backups if need be.
Thanks for any help you can offer! ~Matt
G4 DP1.25 Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Thanks for the comments thus far "scb".
I don;t have disk warrior or techtool or the like - should i just use the first aid on the install DVD for jaguar or tiger instead?
I have a lot of third-party software and utilities installed in jaguar - most probably aren't compatible with Tiger so would I be better to erase and install after I backup my data? I think i'd rather not have all this stuff get uselessly brought into the new install of Tiger. Fresh and clean is probably better in the long run right?
I'm just worried that i'll end up like a lot of other people in this forum with start-up or other problems after the upgrade. I don't think it will be a problem - the mac is pretty much a stock unit except for some software, an extra 120gb harddrive, and all the RAM is now third-party "Kingston brand" (my original apple ram died 1 week after warranty expired - argggg which caused me 3 days of discussion room surfing and a call to apple tech support to realize that i needed to go buy new RAM). All that to say i just want to be sure i do it right and don't get stuck having to spend many days/hours fixing problems... i'm a bit of a pesimist when it comes to upgrades.
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At least with the eMac in FW TDM and attached with the correct cable
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the use of the utility Pacifist in its demo mode and installed in Tiger.
For that much trouble, if one needed an office-like suite, get NeoOffice.
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