Better replacement for ATI Radeon HD 5770
Hello. I have in my Mid 2010 Mac Pro the ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 MB. What graphics card is out there that has better graphics and also supports 3 to 4 monitors easily? My budget is in the 300 to 400 range. I've seen the EVGA GeForce GTX 680 for Mac, which is amazing, but out of my budget. I need to get three monitors running soon.
Apple Mini DisplayPort adapters: Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3382
Guide to Apple graphic display adapters needed
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT3235
Atlona (Dual Link) DVI to Mini DisplayPort Converter for Apple 27-inch LED and 27-inch iMac
http://www.atlona.com/Atlona-Dual-Link-DVI-to-Mini-DisplayPort-Converter-USB-Pow ered.html
Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac Pro (Mid 2010), Mac Pro (Mid 2012): Issues with three displays and multiple DVI, HDMI connections
It's not the USB data that is needed to run three displays. It's the extra POWER. If you read the Apple article, they say the only solution they endorse is their US$100 Dual-Link adapters. Check the table at the end of the article.
Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac Pro (Mid 2010): Supported display configurations
Readers here have found that if you have two Brand-X Powered adapters, aka active adapters, it also works fine. These do not always require another USB. If designed recently, they can pick up a power pin in the Mini DisplayPort interface.
AMD (makers of the 5770 and 5870) lists the qualified POWERED adapters that meet their most stringent requirements. Look down the page and you will find several qualified Active Mini DisplyPort to various others, such as HDMI. These adapters are available from other outlets, such as Amazon, sometimes for far less than the Apple adapters.
http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity-dongles.aspx
The other desktop monitor will plug directly into the DVI port on the card and the 40 inch tv will still connect via HDMI over the second Mini Display port.
That will work only if you use an active Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter.
The only (someone) have found to work (2009)
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/337561577/miniactive_display_port_tohdmi.html
but you should confirm that they are really active before buying 500 of them.
You can connect a DVI to HDMI adapter or cable to an active Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter but that won't give you any audio over HDMI. You could connect the DVI displays to the Mini DisplayPorts with active adapters and use a DVI to HDMI cable or adapter from the DVI port to the TV.
If you want audio via HDMI, you can use audio from the Mac Pro's optical output with this DVI to HDMI converter:
http://www.apogeeinc.net/products/item.aspx?item=2745
Active MDP to HDMI audio and video converter:
http://ca.startech.com/AV/Displayport-Converters/Mini-DisplayPort-to-HDMI-Active -Video-and-Audio-Adapter-Converter-Mini-DP-to-HDMI-1920x1200~MDP2HDS
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Is it better to have two ati radeon HD 5770 or one ATI radeon HD 5870 for video editing?
Is it better to have two ati radeon HD 5770 or one ATI radeon HD 5870 for video editing? I'm basing this question based on the current options when configuring a Mac Pro. Currently there are three options
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB [Add $250.00]
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [Add $200.00]
Between the second and third options I am wondering which will provide a better more productive experience for video editing. Such as using FCP or FCPX. I know how many monitors that are in use will affect the answer to this questions. While I'm more focused on which option will deliver a better video editing experience, lets just say for argument sakes that the Mac Pro is running a 30" cinema display and a small generic monitor. About 18". Its an older VGA monitor for web development.
I hope thats enough info to get an answer on this subject.
ThanksYa in my research of this question, I came across this whole issue of Mac not being able to use CrossFire. I didn't thorugly investigate what this CrossFire issue was, but if it makes more sense with the singel 5870 rather than the 2 5770 then thats helpful to know.
If the Mac can't make the most out of two 5770 because it doesn't make use of CrossFire, it seems silly that Apple even bothers to offer it as an option. Plus its cheaper with the singel 5870 versus two 5770. Unless you really needed to run several monitors.
Thanks. This satisfies a long curiousity I have had. -
How good or bad is the ATI Radeon HD 5770 for Photoshopping?
I'm on the verge of upgrading machines for the first time in half a decade. My Opteron 180 is kinda obsolete and, well, falling apart.
I was leaning towards a Dell Studio XPS 9000. More specifically, an Intel Core i7 920 /w 12GB ram.
During the holidays, these machines came with a choice of nvidia or ATI card. For whatever reason, most of the nvidia options -- the 260 in particular -- have been removed from the build customizing options. In fact, with regards to this one deal I'm looking at this week, the only choice is the ATI Radeon HD 5770.
Here's the link : http://www2.dell.com/ca/en/home/desktops/desktop-studio-xps-9000/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-stu dio-xps-9000&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&~oid=ca~en~70702~studio-xps-9000-en-feat_3~~
Now considering what a great deal that is, and that I won't be gaming with this machine (so I don't much care about 3D performance), is there any reason why I *shouldn't* get this machine?
I keep hearing about nvidia / CUDA benefits. Are they really worth my passing up on this deal? Because other than the card being an ATI, this machine pretty much suits my Photoshopping / DAW (music) editing needs.
Am I making too much of an issue about the video card, considering we're talking about 2D performance here? One benefit I keep hearing about the 5770 over the nvidia GT260 is that the 5770 requires less power and is more silent.
Opinions?
(PS: Before recommending I pass on this and order from X or Y or Z, please keep in mind I'm in Canada. The choices are different here, and the price you see at that link is CND.)I am about in the same spot as you, trying to decide what machine to upgrade my woefully inadequate machine too. I was considering a XPS 9000 however I have about talked myself into building one because I can get a much better motherboard with all sorts of eSATA3, USB3, dual-network-connection teaming and whatever else if I do that; however, it takes a bit of research to get things right and I am at the beginning of that process, so I may give up and fall back and go the Dell route after all.
If go with Dell, you can get memory for a bit cheaper than Dell will sell it to you so maxing it out at Dell may not be the most cost effective solution. I mean it might be cheaper to go with the minimum RAM and then sell or trash it and buy your own 2GB chips. Unfortunately Dell does not have a no-video-card option, but the HD 5770 is good card.
As far as ATI vs nVidia, ATI is the only one with DirectX 11 at the moment, which includes automatic tessellation for textures that have a displacement map. I doubt Photoshop will care about that although new games will.
Here is the "Heaven" benchmark running on a $700 HD 5970 dual-GPU card, but the tessellation works on the newest cheaper ($150) ATI cards too. The difference is most noticeable on the walls roof and stone pathways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEnl8k6BcDs
Unfortunately Adobe has not given us guidance on what CS5 might need or can use as far as GPU support. -
Is there a ATI Radeon HD 5770 Graphic card for 2-monitor use?
Hi, I just purchased a ATI Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Upgrade Kit for Mac Pro only to discover that there is only one VGI port for a monitor. I have been using two monitors for Final Cut work since I bought my MacPro tower in 2006. I need this new card to work with fxfactory 'pan and zoom' as a plug-in in Final Cut Studio. Does anyone know if Apple makes one with two VGI ports?
Thanks very much, BobWhat is VGI?
If you mean VGA - VGA is a VERY old connection type and the 5770 does not have a VGA port.
Do you mean DVI?
The card has a dual link DVI and two mini DisplayPorts. If you mean you need a second DVI connection, get a Mini DisplayPort to DVI connector from Apple or a 3rd party converter supplier.
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What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?
Hi,
I started a thread before asking whether I could replace a 256MB card with a 128MB card, even though the interface was a different shape.
But, as I know so little about Macs and graphics card, it seems wiser to ask
What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?
The computer is user for photo editing and normal internet/email use. The photo editing is done on Adobe Photoshop for professional treatment of photographs.
The computer is a Power Mac G5 (1.6GHz) and budge is £80 / $120.
Thanks in advance, Franc.Hi-
Please check my recommendations in your other thread.
Better options for the 9800 Pro are the Radeon 9800 XT, Geforce 6800 GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, or if one has the money or finds a good deal, a Radeon X800 XT.
For your budget and uses, the Geforce cards are a performance value buy.
BTW, I have owned all of the cards, used all of the cards, and tested all of the cards.
Graphics Cards- ATI and Nvidia
See my testing pages starting here:
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ATI Radeon HD 5770 Two 30 inch cinema display
i have early macpro 2008 and two 30 inch apple cinemadispaly DVI port. i just upgrade graphic card to ATI Radeon HD 5770 . i connect one display witgh DVI port and another 30 inche dispaly connect with mini display and DVI adapter . but one display(with mini display port) had only 1280X 800 resolution . dvi port connected display has original 2560X1600. what is worong with this graphic card? or do i need only connect with DVI port? for 30 inch display? do i need second graphic card? to use Two 30 inch screen?
someone help me?
i replaced card because my old original crad was dead . and i replaced to this HD 5770 which i thought would work after reading the review but i guess two 30 inche dispaly wont work with original resoultion ... hmmmmYou need a dual link dvi adapter for the mini-displayport.
Single link dvi adapters have a max resolution of 1920 x 1200. Dual link max resolution is 2560 x 1600.
The DVI port on the 5770 is dual link which is why you don't have a problem connecting as 30" to it.
Examples:
Apple Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter
StarTech Mini DisplayPort to DVI Dual-Link Active Adapter – USB Powered
Kanex C30
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2 ATI Radeon HD 5770 vs 1 ATI Radeon HD 5870
Hi everyone
I had a quick question about the GPU options on a mac pro. What are the differences between having 2 ATI Radeon HD 5770's and having 1 ATI Radeon HD 5870? Is either better? Just assume a high end mac, 12 core @ 2.93GHz/32GB RAM. I'm not great with GPUs.
Thanks!Having two allows for more output displays and to empty your wallet.
No CrossFire or bonding. And not every will see a difference with 5870.
Nor does all software work optimally with 12-cores. Which is why 3.33GHz 6-core is popular has highest GHz, and put money into other things. -
FCP 7 Crashes after install of ATI Radeon HD 5770
FCP 7.0
MacPro1,1
Mac OS X 10.5.8
Darwin 9.8.0
(2) Dual-Core Intel Xeon 3 GHz processors
(Memory: 4 GB)
(2) 500GB internal HD's
(2) 500 GB external HD's
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
Slot: Slot-1
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 1024 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x68b8
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C0160C-155
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.436
Random unresponsive mouse, keyboard, and software when working in FCP. The system would freeze and my only remedy was to shut down. This would only happen when editing video. I assumed my ATI Radeon 1900xt grapics card was the culrprit.
Ordered and installed the ATI Radeon HD 5770 upgrade from apple. Trying to open FCP after the install, but FCP was blocked from opening for 3 reasons 1. “Final Cut Pro requires that your system have 128 MB of VRAM; this system has only 0” 2. Quartz Extream compatiblity and the minimim pixel height on my display was under under 800 (768)
I restarted the computer and reset PRAM (hold option, command, P & R keys down all together when you restart). Wait until you hear the second chime before releasing the keys. This didn’t work.
So, I trashed preferences. That didn’t work.
I opened up Applications, control click on FCP, “Show Package Contents” Contents/Resources and opened "minsys.plist" and set the minimum VRAM, Quartz Extream Capable, & Screen resolution all to “warn” instead of “block”. This allowed FCP to begin it’s launch, BUT FCP would then hang on the Looksuite Plugin and not open.
So, I then uninstalled LookBuilder & removed the plug in. FCP would then open. BUT immediately after setting my timeline preferences to Apple ProRes 442 LT FCP crashed with in seconds.
As a work around I tired creating a new user with admin privileges but to no avail. FCP still crashes. with this error “ Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000”
Any direction would be very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Justin> I purchased my rig with FCP and other programs already installed. I don't have install disk's for FCP. When I upgrade to SL, will I need to re-install FCP as well, or (assuming I have no other problems) can I upgrade the OS with out installing FCP again?<
The previous owner is going to be in trouble in the afterlife but you're going to be in big trouble when you attempt to upgrade FCP. You will be able to purchase FCPX, from what we can tell, without your serial numbers.
The general advice around here is to do a scroched earth total erase and install of everything when changing operating systems. In all my years of runing FCP on my Macs, I've never done that. I've alwyas just run the OS Update script and I have never had a problem with this method. I do, of course, make a clone of my system drive before attempting major changes.
If you do an intialization install when you get Snow Leopard, you will need FCP disks. Whoever you bought the rig from stole them from you.
bogiesan -
Kernel Panic Since ATI Radeon HD 5770 was installed
Hi
I have a Mac Pro 3,1. I recently installed ATI Radeon HD 5770 card powering 2 x Apple Cinema Displays. I also have 2 x ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT pwering 2 17" non Apple monitors.
Since installing the 5770, the Mac has regular kernel panics - at least once a day, sometimes several times. The Cinema Diplays which go blank - the other 2 just freeze. I've captured the log form the most recent one - pasted below. I'd appreciate any advice from any clever people!
Thanks
Ben
Interval Since Last Panic Report: 51777 sec
Panics Since Last Report: 1
Anonymous UUID: E906F495-AC79-4A03-099A-0D01D04727F6
Mon Mar 11 17:34:35 2013
panic(cpu 6 caller 0xffffff8000a9db1b): "TLB invalidation IPI timeout: " "CPU(s) failed to respond to interrupts, unresponsive CPU bitmap: 0x8, NMIPI acks: orig: 0x0, now: 0x0"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-2050.18.24/osfmk/x86_64/pmap.c:2337
Backtrace (CPU 6), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff80b86fb7f0 : 0xffffff8000a1d626
0xffffff80b86fb860 : 0xffffff8000a9db1b
0xffffff80b86fb8e0 : 0xffffff8000aa2330
0xffffff80b86fb9a0 : 0xffffff8000aa2b65
0xffffff80b86fb9f0 : 0xffffff8000a66a1c
0xffffff80b86fbae0 : 0xffffff8000a6a8f0
0xffffff80b86fbb10 : 0xffffff8000a653ef
0xffffff80b86fbb40 : 0xffffff8000a247fe
0xffffff80b86fbb60 : 0xffffff7f82dc6487
0xffffff80b86fbc80 : 0xffffff7f82dbe918
0xffffff80b86fbd20 : 0xffffff7f82dbf36c
0xffffff80b86fbdb0 : 0xffffff8000b11d3d
0xffffff80b86fbe00 : 0xffffff8000b07e89
0xffffff80b86fbe50 : 0xffffff8000d76abe
0xffffff80b86fbef0 : 0xffffff8000d76c50
0xffffff80b86fbf50 : 0xffffff8000de182a
0xffffff80b86fbfb0 : 0xffffff8000aced33
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.filesystems.afpfs(10.0)[B0A45DB0-315A-34C2-B9D2-4BBAEDF8775C]@0xfffff f7f82db8000->0xffffff7f82e0cfff
dependency: com.apple.security.SecureRemotePassword(1.0)[F63E4A18-4AEE-36EE-9881-0F4F437DE8 FE]@0xffffff7f82da7000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: QuickTime Player
Mac OS version:
12C60
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 69A5853F-375A-3EF4-9247-478FD0247333
Kernel slide: 0x0000000000800000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff8000a00000
System model name: MacPro3,1 (Mac-F42C88C8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 17986063726716
last loaded kext at 1813492517245: com.apple.filesystems.afpfs 10.0 (addr 0xffffff7f82db8000, size 348160)
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Model: MacPro3,1, BootROM MP31.006C.B05, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.8 GHz, 6 GB, SMC 1.25f4
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATI Radeon HD 5770, PCIe, 1024 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0D9B, 0x000000000000000000000000000000000000
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0D9B, 0x000000000000000000000000000000000000
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
Bluetooth: Version 4.0.9f33 10885, 2 service, 18 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-2
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-1
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATY,VervetParent, Slot-1
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-3
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD3200AAJS-41VWA0, 320.07 GB
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD20EADS-00W4B0, 2 TB
Parallel ATA Device: OPTIARC DVD RW AD-7170A
USB Device: hub_device, apple_vendor_id, 0x911d, 0xfd500000 / 3
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USB Device: Apple Cinema Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x921d, 0xfd530000 / 5
USB Device: hub_device, apple_vendor_id, 0x911d, 0xfd300000 / 2
USB Device: Apple Cinema Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x921d, 0xfd330000 / 4
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, apple_vendor_id, 0x8206, 0x5d200000 / 2
USB Device: Avid Mbox Mini, 0x0dba, 0x5001, 0x3d200000 / 2
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, 800mbit_speed
FireWire Device: unknown_device, unknown_speedAre yes - the Interlok dongle. That's for Pro Tools, which I can't live without. However, these kernel panics pre-date installing Pro Tools by some weeks, so I don't think that is causing the problem.
I have had another one today. Here is the problem report:
Interval Since Last Panic Report: 71103 sec
Panics Since Last Report: 1
Anonymous UUID: E906F495-AC79-4A03-099A-0D01D04727F6
Wed Mar 13 18:13:24 2013
Machine-check capabilities 0x0000000000000806:
family: 6 model: 23 stepping: 6 microcode: 1547
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5462 @ 2.80GHz
6 error-reporting banks
threshold-based error status present
Processor 0: no machine-check status reported
Processor 1: machine-check status 0x0000000000000005:
restart IP valid
machine-check in progress
MCA error-reporting registers:
IA32_MC0_STATUS(0x401): 0xb200004010000400 valid
MCA error code: 0x0400
Model specific error code: 0x1000
Other information: 0x00000040
Threshold-based status: Undefined
Status bits:
Processor context corrupt
Error enabled
Uncorrected error
IA32_MC1_STATUS(0x405): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC2_STATUS(0x409): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC3_STATUS(0x40d): 0x0020000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC4_STATUS(0x411): 0x0000000000000011 invalid
IA32_MC5_STATUS(0x415): 0xb200121020080400 valid
MCA error code: 0x0400
Model specific error code: 0x2008
Other information: 0x00001210
Threshold-based status: Undefined
Status bits:
Processor context corrupt
Error enabled
Uncorrected error
Processor 2: machine-check status 0x0000000000000005:
restart IP valid
machine-check in progress
MCA error-reporting registers:
IA32_MC0_STATUS(0x401): 0x1000000020000000 invalid
IA32_MC1_STATUS(0x405): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC2_STATUS(0x409): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC3_STATUS(0x40d): 0x0020000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC4_STATUS(0x411): 0x0000000000000011 invalid
IA32_MC5_STATUS(0x415): 0xb200000084200e0f valid
MCA error code: 0x0e0f
Model specific error code: 0x8420
Other information: 0x00000000
Threshold-based status: Undefined
Status bits:
Processor context corrupt
Error enabled
Uncorrected error
Processor 3: machine-check status 0x0000000000000005:
restart IP valid
machine-check in progress
MCA error-reporting registers:
IA32_MC0_STATUS(0x401): 0x1000000020000000 invalid
IA32_MC1_STATUS(0x405): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC2_STATUS(0x409): 0x0000000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC3_STATUS(0x40d): 0x0020000000000000 invalid
IA32_MC4_STATUS(0x411): 0x0000000000000011 invalid
IA32_MC5_STATUS(0x415): 0xb200000080200e0f valid
MCA error code: 0x0e0f
Model specific error code: 0x8020
Other information: 0x00000000
Threshold-based status: Undefined
Status bits:
Processor context corrupt
Error enabled
Uncorrected error
Processor 4: no machine-check status reported
Processor 5: no machine-check status reported
Processor 6: no machine-check status reported
Processor 7: no machine-check status reported
panic(cpu 2 caller 0xffffff801f8b83c9): "Machine Check at 0xffffff7fa1383cf7, registers:\n" "CR0: 0x0000000080010033, CR2: 0x000000010aa23018, CR3: 0x000000000526b000, CR4: 0x0000000000000660\n" "RAX: 0x0000000000000000, RBX: 0xffffff802f646000, RCX: 0x0000000000000001, RDX: 0x0000000000000000\n" "RSP: 0xffffff810ca8bc20, RBP: 0xffffff810ca8bc50, RSI: 0x0000000000000001, RDI: 0xffffff80d132f148\n" "R8: 0x00000000e0000000, R9: 0x7ffffffffffffffe, R10: 0x0000000000000c00, R11: 0x0000000000000206\n" "R12: 0x0000000000000001, R13: 0xffffff802f3b8fc0, R14: 0x0000000000000000, R15: 0x0000000000000148\n" "RFL: 0x0000000000000046, RIP: 0xffffff7fa1383cf7, CS: 0x0000000000000008, SS: 0x0000000000000010\n" "Error code: 0x0000000000000000\n"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-2050.18.24/osfmk/i386/trap_native.c: 280
Backtrace (CPU 2), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff80d12cdec0 : 0xffffff801f81d626
0xffffff80d12cdf30 : 0xffffff801f8b83c9
0xffffff80d12ce0a0 : 0xffffff801f8cedbf
0xffffff810ca8bc50 : 0xffffff7fa137d12e
0xffffff810ca8bd30 : 0xffffff7fa137c515
0xffffff810ca8bde0 : 0xffffff801f8b8c1b
0xffffff810ca8be00 : 0xffffff801f82f1c3
0xffffff810ca8be40 : 0xffffff801f82dc81
0xffffff810ca8bea0 : 0xffffff801f82d9f3
0xffffff810ca8bee0 : 0xffffff801f81310b
0xffffff810ca8bf00 : 0xffffff801f81970b
0xffffff810ca8bf70 : 0xffffff801f8a5b16
0xffffff810ca8bfb0 : 0xffffff801f8ced53
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement(196.0)[EDE188A8-D142-3689-B2F0-26 AB424A4CAF]@0xffffff7fa137a000->0xffffff7fa13a2fff
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: WindowServer
Mac OS version:
12C60
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 69A5853F-375A-3EF4-9247-478FD0247333
Kernel slide: 0x000000001f600000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff801f800000
System model name: MacPro3,1 (Mac-F42C88C8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 21141422012521
last loaded kext at 16976305593819: com.apple.filesystems.smbfs 1.8 (addr 0xffffff7fa1c26000, size 229376)
last unloaded kext at 620533874527: com.apple.driver.AppleUSBCDC 4.1.22 (addr 0xffffff7fa1bb6000, size 12288)
loaded kexts:
com.avid.usb.mboxmini.driver 1.0.4
com.Cycling74.driver.Soundflower 1.5.1
com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.snowleopard 5.9
com.apple.filesystems.smbfs 1.8
com.apple.filesystems.afpfs 10.0
com.apple.nke.asp_tcp 7.0.0
com.apple.filesystems.msdosfs 1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleHWSensor 1.9.5d0
com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC 1.60
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothSerialManager 4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBDisplays 353
com.apple.filesystems.autofs 3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleHDA 2.3.1f2
com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient 3.5.10
com.apple.driver.AppleMCCSControl 1.0.33
com.apple.ATIRadeonX2000 8.0.0
com.apple.kext.AMDFramebuffer 8.0.0
com.apple.AMDRadeonAccelerator 1.0.0
com.apple.iokit.CSRBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport 4.0.9f33
com.apple.iokit.IOUserEthernet 1.0.0d1
com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X 7.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleMCEDriver 1.1.9
com.apple.driver.ApplePolicyControl 3.2.11
com.apple.driver.AppleLPC 1.6.0
com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin 1.0.0
com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient 3.5.1
com.apple.driver.XsanFilter 404
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 2.2.2
com.apple.driver.AppleIntel8254XEthernet 3.1.1b1
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless 1.0.0d1
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib 1.0.0d1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub 5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort 2.4.1
com.apple.BootCache 34
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI 4.9.6
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelPIIXATA 2.5.1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI 5.4.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI 5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM 1.6.1
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 1.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.7
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 1.9
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient 196.0.0
com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 4.0.39
com.apple.security.quarantine 2
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement 196.0.0
com.apple.security.SecureRemotePassword 1.0
com.apple.driver.AppleBluetoothHIDKeyboard 165.5
com.apple.driver.IOBluetoothHIDDriver 4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleHIDKeyboard 165.5
com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily 10.0.6
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver 5.2.5
com.apple.kext.triggers 1.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBAudio 2.9.0f6
com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib 2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily 1.8.9fc10
com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusController 1.0.10d0
com.apple.iokit.IOAcceleratorFamily 19.0.26
com.apple.iokit.IOSurface 86.0.3
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily 4.0.9f33
com.apple.iokit.AppleBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport 4.0.9f33
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP 2.2.5
com.apple.kext.AMD2600Controller 8.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleGraphicsControl 3.2.11
com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport 2.3.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAController 2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOHDAFamily 2.3.1f2
com.apple.kext.AMD5000Controller 8.0.0
com.apple.kext.AMDSupport 8.0.0
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily 2.3.5
com.apple.driver.AppleSMC 3.1.4d2
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginLegacy 1.0.0
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily 5.2.0d16
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite 5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice 3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily 1.7
com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily 1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily 1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport 3.5.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily 3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily 2.2.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily 4.5.5
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient 5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily 3.0
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily 2.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily 5.4.0
com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily 1.8.0
com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime 1.6.1
com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily 1.1
com.apple.security.sandbox 220
com.apple.kext.AppleMatch 1.0.0d1
com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet 7
com.apple.driver.DiskImages 344
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily 1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleKeyStore 28.21
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform 1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily 2.7.2
com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily 1.4
com.apple.kec.corecrypto 1.0
Model: MacPro3,1, BootROM MP31.006C.B05, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.8 GHz, 6 GB, SMC 1.25f4
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATI Radeon HD 5770, PCIe, 1024 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
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Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0D9B, 0x000000000000000000000000000000000000
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
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PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-2
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PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-3
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Serial ATA Device: WDC WD20EADS-00W4B0, 2 TB
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USB Device: XD-1218-U, 0x056a (WACOM Co., Ltd.), 0x0045, 0xfd520000 / 6
USB Device: Apple Cinema Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x921d, 0xfd530000 / 5
USB Device: hub_device, apple_vendor_id, 0x911d, 0xfd300000 / 2
USB Device: Apple Cinema Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x921d, 0xfd330000 / 4
USB Device: Avid Mbox Mini, 0x0dba, 0x5001, 0x3d200000 / 2
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Is it worth it? ATI Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Upgrade Kit
Hey all. After several frustrating hours scouring the forums for information relating to graphics cards for early 2008 MP's, I thought I would just ask my question. Is it worth buying the ATI Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Upgrade Kit from the Apple store? What I mean is, is there a new graphics card option coming soon seeing as the 5870 seems to be "Unavailable" for ages.
I have heard rumours that Apple bought up all the ATI 5870's and ATI is re-branding and it's cheaper to buy a PC compatible card and flash it but I don't want to mess around with all that (I would have a windows machine if I did). I've checked newegg and OWC and they both only have the quadra card and there is no way I'm paying that much. I currently have the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT so any upgrade is good I suppose, I just always seem to buy something right before Apple releases the new version!
Any suggestions is appreciated thanks.
DHi-
Welcome to Discussions!
Is the 5770 worth it?
It's not a bad price for a card that runs circles around the 8800:
http://www.barefeats.com/wst10g6.html
Would be nicer if the 5870 was available.
It is billed as the Top Gun for Macs (currently), but the reported price makes it a dear upgrade.
As for the future, the 67xx and 68xx cards are in the pipeline, but, if as with the 57xx and 58xx, it may be almost a year before we see a Mac version.... -
Mac Pro 2008 and ATI Radeon HD 5770
According to many other threads in this forum the ATI Radeon HD 5770 graphics card is said to work fine with the Mac Pro 2008 (model no. 3,1) though the Apple Store lists the Mac Pro (Mid 2010) under system requirements. Well, before I’m going to upgrade my Mac against Apple’s will, I’m just curious to know if anyone has found out why Apple restricts the compatibility to Macs from mid 2010 on. Is there an issue that affects only a small number of machines? Or is there a software incompatibility popping up under rare circumstances? What is the reason for this? Why does Apple not grant downward compatibility?
Apple does marketing and doesn't do a bang-up job on writiing technical requirements on hardware upgrades and testing. It doesn't make sense, there is no reason for not just "works with 10.6.5 or later on ALL Mac Pro models."
something nice and clear and so avoids all the questions and discussion.
Radeon HD 5870 versus 5770
2008 has PCIe 2.0 so no lose of bandwidth.
And I guess you ignored the numerous comment section on the product page? where people said it works.
ATI Radeon HD 5770 MC742ZM A -
Hi people,
I Have macpro 1,1 already bought graphics card ATI RADEON HD 5770 (1 Gb VRAM) and in the box didn't came any dvd or cd with drive just the card and manual.
Happens that I installed as recomended but some issues has occurred. On system information has two lines with differents informations:
The first line says
Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Type: ATY,HoolockParent
Drive Installed: No
Bus: PCI
Slot: 1
The second line says
Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Type: ATY,HoolockParent
Drive Installed: yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: 1
Happens that when I try open the Final Cut Pro this message is showed: "final cut pro requires that your system have a Quartz Extrem capable video card" and "final cut pro requires that your system have 128 MB of VRAM; this system has only 0 MB of VRAM)
How do I proceed to install the correct drive (there isn't this drive on ATI site) and solve this issue?
Best regardsHi Allan,
When I verify on System information (Hardware - Graphics/Displays) I see that there is the information "quartz extreme: Not supported". This information is because I still don't have the HD 5770 drive installed or 5770 doesn't support this feature?
Now I'm worried because if it Is true I wont works with FCP7 in my macpro... right?
Thanks for your suggestion. I will buy Snow Leopard and install it. -
How to get the Windows Vista Driver for ATI Radeon 7500 card?
How to get the Windows Vista Driver for ATI Radeon 7500 card?
I am using a IBM Thinkpad T42 with a 32Mb ATI Radeon 7500 graphic card AGP.
Is there any Vista 32-bit driver to update my card so that this system support Aero effect?
Thank you.
regards,
W. Thongwthong wrote:
How to get the Windows Vista Driver for ATI Radeon 7500 card?
The Radeon 9000 driver works for the Radeon 7500 card. I have successfully used it on a T43 with Vista Ultimate x86
wthong wrote:
Is there any Vista 32-bit driver to update my card so that this system support Aero effect?
Unfortunately no. The Radeon 9000 driver should bring your graphics score up to close to 2, but it will not get it high enough to enable Aero support.
Cheers,
Bill
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Crash in OpenCL clBuildProgram for ATI Radeon 5870
Hi,
Need some help in understanding why the following simple OpenCL kernel crashes during runtime build on Mac OS 10.6.4 (EFI driver version 01.00.436 for ATI Radeon 5870)
====================
__kernel void KernelThatDoesntWork(__global const float* a, __global const float* b, __global float* c, int iNumElements)
__local unsigned char lmemC[100]; // Array of size 100, ignore the exclusion of [ ]
lmemC[0] = 0;
====================
Here is the stack trace -
#0 0x94b67ef6 in __kill ()
#1 0x94b67ee8 in kill$UNIX2003 ()
#2 0x94bfa62d in raise ()
#3 0x94c10679 in __abort ()
#4 0x94bf33bc in _stack_chkfail ()
#5 0x00422b8b in glrCompExecuteKernel ()
#6 0x00424d9c in glrCompBuildProgram ()
#7 0x91db653a in clBuildProgram ()
Thanks
Message was edited by: shantanu_bmdEven if they make it available, does this change mean other Radeon 5870 based cards will work in the system? If so, does this mean Radeon 5870 based eyefinity 6 cards will work with the new mac pros, and hopefully the old ones with a driver/software update? That would make it an even more significant refresh from a graphics point of view...
In any case, if other 5870 based cards would work, that would be the easiest solution for getting hold of the required card as there are loads of cards already available for purchase based on the 5870 GPU... -
How to install drivers for ati radeon 3200?and how to config xorg.co ?
how to install drivers for ati radeon 3200?and how to config xorg.conf?
mawch wrote:how to install drivers for ati radeon 3200?and how to config xorg.conf?
Hello
I am using ati hd 3200 which is integrated with my motherboard. If you are using arch you can download & install through pacman. The package is named like catalyst*. You can install them by issuing as root user
#pacman -Sy
#pacman -S -l | grep -i catalyst
#pacman -S catalyst catalyst-utils
After installation reboot your machine in runlevel 1. (single mode). Ensure "fglrx" module is loaded correctly using
#lsmod | grep -i fglrx
If the resultant output have "fglrx" part the module is loaded correctly. The next step is to create a working /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Backup your current xorg.conf if needed.
#cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup
Then issue
#aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
This will create a new xorg.conf file. Now we can test our confign.
#telinit 3
I am using runlevel 3 to avoid graphic messup!!
issue
#gdm
If you graphical login screen works correctly there is nothing to do more except adjust your monitor resoloution as you like.
To know your ati driver is working correctly issue as root
#fgl_glxgears
If gears are rolling happily it seems correct. You can also know more about installed ati driver
#fglrxinfo
Now the installed driver version is in the output
If there is any problem try following
##### Soloutions to solve various display problems using ATI Catalyst Drivers in Linux #####
yes video playback is choppy until i ran :-
sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
Try adding the following to the 'Device' section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Option "TexturedVideo" "true"
### This is a half solution for mythtv problems. Run mythtv in window (no full screen) If You have a screen resolution of 1024x768 try the command;
mythfrontend --geometry 800x600
Append the "Device" Section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as follows;
Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
Option "TexturedVideo" "on"
Option "TexturedVideoSync" "on"
Option "Capabilities" "0x00000800"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection
Add following in the .bashrc of each user or /etc/bashrc file* Most Effective In My Case!!
export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true
####### Arch Linux - Add the "nopat" option to the /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/grub.conf
####### as in the following example
title Archlinux Ice Kernel
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26-ice root=/dev/sda2 ro resume=/dev/sda3 quiet splash nopat
initrd /boot/kernel26-ice.img
NB: REGULAR DISCLAIMER IS ALSO APPLICABLE TO THE ABOVE MATTER; USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK !!! ALL THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS COLLECTED FROM VARIOUS POSTINGS IN THE FORUM AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE
Wish U good luck
mvdvarrier
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