Big color differences

Hi, I have this bugging issue with Acrobat X. If I generate a PDF (PDFX4/2008) and visualize it on Acrobat 8 it looks a lot brighter than it appears in the X version. And it seems to me that the 8 visualization is pretty much the correct one. I can't understand why this happens.
Consider that all the colour settings and profile information are the same in both versions.
Any clue?
Thanks a lot
M.

Hi, I always export from InDesign with PDF X4 2008. But I am quite sure that's not a problem of imported images because, as you can see in the attached figure, also a simple red square exported from ID gives noticeably different results (the left is the 8 version and the right the X). That's very strange...

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I tried a search and can't find a thread about what I'm seeing, so I'm posting in the hopes that others may be seeing the same thing.
I have PS CS4 and ACR 5.3 (latest patches) on a Windows XP Pro computer. I use Adobe RGB as my working space and profile my dual monitors with an Eye One Display2. I recently started experimenting with using ACR to edit tif files, but I noticed that while the image is loaded in the ACR window it looks quite different color wise than the Bridge thumbnail or within CS4 (after opening it as a smart object). The look in ACR is similar to what the same image looks like in CS4 with the ColorMatch profile assigned to the image (i.e. quite a bit brighter and lacking saturation).
Here's the weird things:
When I first open the tif image, it looks correct as long as the exclaimation mark is present on the preview window. Once the file is fully processed and that icon disappears the image color makes the dramatic change. If I then make no changes and simply open the image in CS4, then it's back to the original "correct" colors.
If I zoom in the ACR preview to 50% or higher, then the color difference is negligible if not entirely gone, but I can't edit an 8000x5000 without seeing the entire image.
Here's what I have tried:
Turned off all OpenGL features
Verified my monitor profile was being recognized by CS4
Ensured my color settings didn't get changed (preserve profiles is on, as well as ask on mismatch)
Tested them with an image that was a known mismatch and it asked what I should do as expected
I tried PS CS3 and ACR 4.x with the same result
Stripped out XMP metadata with Exiftool to see if that may have been an issue - it wasn't
I'm hoping someone else has an idea what is causing this or if it's a known issue. Any ideas or confirmation on what I'm seeing would be appreciated.
Craig

cssadobe wrote:
It doesn't matter which space is set, the display of the image is always the same in ACR.
Holy cow! If that's the case in your setup, you have a HUGE problem, Craig.
You should definitely see a big difference in the ACR preview when you set your ACR worflow options to ProPhoto RGB compared to either Adobe RGB or sRGB. If you don't, either your monitor is not accurately calibrated and profiled, or it's a lousy narrow-gamut monitor, or your color management is broken.
EDIT: It could be that the scan was not really made in ProPhoto RGB but was converted by the lab to that profile, in which case then, yes, you would see no difference because the true, original color space was and remains narrower and smaller than the lowest common denominator, which could well be anything, including Color Match or sRGB (and we all know what the s stands for in sRGB!).
cssadobe wrote:
Since PS CS4 created the tiff, the preview and the actual image data should be identical in my opinion. Would you agree with that? I don't know why PS would create a preview that was not identical in display characteristics to the actual image.
No, I would not agree with that. No reasonable person can expect a low-resolution, JPEG-like preview embedded in the TIFF to look identical to the TIFF. Information has to be discarded to generate the preview. But that's beyond the scope of ACR.
What I would expect is that ACR would render a better display from the original data in the TIFF than what the mediocre embedded preview can generate.
cssadobe wrote:
If I zoom in on the image in ACR to at least 50%, then the difference seems to disappear.
Well, duh! You only see the real image when you view it at 100%. The farther you get from 100%, the more information is either being discarded (at anything less than 100%) or made up, invented at greater than 100%. 50% is still not as good as 100%, but it's definitely better than the miserably low 8.7% view you were using when you made that last screen shot.
Seeing that you have severe problems with your display, as suggested by the first paragraph in this post, there seems to be no point in discussing in detail any of the discrepancies you mention, most especially at any other view that is not actual pixels (100%).
I'll have to read the thread again when I have the time to see if you have said when you calibrated your monitor last and how, what your color settings are, what monitors you're running, etc.
I validate the calibration on my monitors practically on a daily basis with a hardware calibrator puck.
But, ultimately, viewing a large scan at a dismal 8.7% you can't make any of the judgments you are trying to make.

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I get a big Color Shift between exported H264 mp4 on Vimeo/Youtube and Quicktime X and Program Monitor.
There are quite a few posts on Quicktime gamma issues, but there seem to be no solutions and the other editors I know don't seem to have this problem.
I know there will be a bit of a shift but this is MASSIVE. At the moment I add a whole extra adjustment layer to all my clips to get it approximately right, but ofcourse this does not solve the issue nor does it give proper results.
Please do not reply with the "You need a real reference monitor via SDI etc etc ..."
By my logic on the same screen the program monitor should resemble what is going to be the final result in a relevant player like Quicktime X which all normal apple consumers use to watch their films. I know VLC and Mpeg streamclip gives different results, but mostly when playing Quicktime/h264 files Quicktime will play it thus average users ( the people I'd like to downwload/buy my films )will watch it in Quicktime.
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I know this has been a while so hopefully you found some help by now, but maybe this will help anyone stumbling across this.
What people seem to be missing in what you are asking is... this is the same file, on the same monitor, but with a different appearance in different software. It is not a question of whether the overall monitoring is GOOD, and it is not a matter of hardware settings (as that would most likely propogate across all software) it is that it is not CONSISTENT side by side on the very same monitor.
I had very similar issues that really seemed to get worse when we got new monitors, which is what lead me to chime in here. The monitors were also wide gamut displays.
The problem is likely this...
1. The difference being shown are the difference between software that properly color manages (i.e. Premier or After Effects) and software that does not (i.e. Quicktime or some web browsers)
2. The reason it is so severe is that the wide gamut monitors are able to show many more colors and thus the difference between the managed and unmanaged software is much more exagerrated than on regular gamut monitors.
I found this great link that helped calm my nerves and helped me get handle on much of what is going on.
http://www.artstorm.net/journal/2009/07/color-management-wide-gamut-dell-2408/
Now that is not to say that the 0-255/16-235 issue is not also involved here. It is definitely possible that a specific codec or compressor is part of the problem, but it sounds like it starts with the color management issue first.
I hope this helps.
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Virtually none of the computers that people will be viewing these video's on are going to be color calibrated. It'd be comparable to the computers I've been testing on…
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Color Difference - Camera Raw & Nikon Raw NEF

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When I edit an image in Lightroom and then continue editing it in photoshop I see a major color difference.That also happens when I export an image from lightroom as a .jpg and then upload it to the web,colors look the same as in photoshop.Color space is set to sRGB in both PS and my monitor.
http://imgur.com/a/rxt1l

wooliudo wrote:
i'm asking it because it looks like your system's taking the wrong monitor profile, and it'll make a difference between color managed software like LR/PS, and unmanaged software like some browsers(IE before 9). And your PS color management setting seems wrong as well.
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http://imgur.com/a/r2Uyz
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wooliudo wrote:
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I'm kind of out of my league on color issues.
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The text by PhS was probably part of the raster image.
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"No Color Conversion and under Profile Inclusion Policy
I set Don't Include Profiles"
This is IMO correct for a reproduction, whatever
ingredients might be in the original page or in the PDF.
The only remaining sources for a color shift - visible
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ditions - are downsampling and JPEG compression, IMO.
Note: the question is not whether the two versions are
correct, but whether they are identical.
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