BIG problems with setup after Archive and Install
It all began when I was preparing a G3 iMac to be used - as a trial - by a Windows user. I wanted to preserve the existing accounts so created a new user. I then forgot the new user password (didn't write it down, did I) and had already set it up to go straight to the login screen on boot. Do you think I could then remember the user name of the original account(this time I knew the password)? I researched and was able to set up a new password for the System Administrator via the Install Disk, and hoped that it would show me the existing user names - it didn't. Despite my best efforts, I was still unable to login. By this stage, the gremlins were really getting to me.
I then decided to do an Archive and Clean Install - after I had repaired disk permissions, disk etc. So far so good, as everything seemed to go OK and the Mac restarted and presented the Welcome screen and I proceeded with setup, like it was a brand new Mac.
After going through the first couple of screens where Apple collects information and moving onto where you can start setting up accounts, the thing just hangs with a blank screen with a grey horizontal line about two-thirds down prior to actually reaching this account setup stage. In spite of every other attempt, I just cannot past this stage. Truly weird.
Next, I upgraded my Firewire Disk from OS9 to OSX using the same installation disks and everything went swimmingly, including the creation of accounts. I have been able to boot normally from this Firewire disk and can see everything on my internal HD. I tried reinstalling the OS again - it still hangs in exactly the same set up stage - "siiigh". I'm now getting seriously ****** off with this process and have more or less decided to clone all the appropriate files from the internal HD, erase the drive and start all over again!
I really don't want to go to this level, and besides, I'm really curious to find out what on earth has gone wrong, and hope forum members can help me out here. I appreciate all responses..... Thanks
PatM
BDAqua wrote:
Seems the HD is bad, but whether it could be fixed by Erasing and using the Zero Data Option, once... only time will tell.
IDE HDs don't last all that long... 4 year old ones make me hold my breath!
Thanks for your reply. If the internal drive is bad, why didn't it show up when I ran Disk Utility repair? I don't think I'll try to resurrect it now if that is a possibility.
I had thought of swapping the drive in the Firewire case into the iMac and vice-versa. I have to say that this G3 has now been replaced by a newish MacBook - chiefly to preserve using Tiger (with Classic support) for all the legacy items that my partner was using on the G3. My partner's 91 y.o. mother will be visiting from Perth (the other side of Oz from us) and loves using the Mac, so I now propose the following:
1. Retrieve critical files (if any left) from the G3 internal HD;
2. Swap the drive as above - mind you, I've never changed an HD in an iMac, but after 20 years of mucking around with all sorts of Macs, fancy my chances here - especially as I come from the READ THE MANUAL school of support.
3. Buy a new IDE HD for the Firewire case, load it up with troubleshooting apps. which would then give me a tool for looking after our other Macs.
Any other suggestions?
PatM
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Edited by: ungars on Jul 18, 2010 12:43 AM
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Rightyho,
had trouble with extensions in 10.6.8 and had to re-install with original disks 10.5.4.
Did an archive and install.
In my (dated) Previous System Folder are Appl / Library / System / User folders.
Copied my User folder back no problem.
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When I tried to order SL DVD from Apple they told me it'll take 3 weeks ...http://www.maciverse.com/install-os-x-snow-leopard-from-usb-flash-drive.html
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HELP! Problem after Archive and Install
I need help. I did an Archive and install because I was having problems with my ical not opening. I did the archive and install without checking the "preserve settings" box. I want to know what I need to transfer from either the "previous system" folder that was created when I did the archive and install or a back up I have on a seperate hard drive so that I can get all of my info back (ie: mail, addresses, bookmarks etc.). I am also having problems with some 3rd party software. For instance, when I open password plus I don't have access to all of my saved info.
I am feeling overwhelmed right now and know I am not thinking clearly. Do I just copy and paste from the previous system folder to the new system folder?No, making an image won't help. There isn't anything you really need to copy from the /Library/ folder unless it's in the /Library/Applications Support/ folder in which case you shouldn't have any permissions problems unless you reinstalled your OS and used a different username and password. In this case you will have to change to ownership and permissions to enable moving the folders. In some cases try moving the contents of the folder rather than the folder itself.
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I-T unes sharing problem after archive and Install
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latest drivers from the printer manufacturers web site downloads pages.
There may be some other way to make the printers work through the OS; if
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Although I don't have OS X 10.5.x running in my computers now, I have tried
it and decided to stay awhile longer in 10.4.11; some of the same kinds of
issues can occur, between these slightly different systems. You may be able
to re-use the printer drivers from the Previous System, unless their installer
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Hopefully someone with more restore experience (short of manually reinstalling
drivers, if these are not already a part of the OSX and its 10.5 install/updates)
will contribute a bit more and direct you as per the specific demands of Leopard.
PS:
When you get your system back in order, you may wish to consider making a
full computer drive clone on an externally enclosed FireWire drive unit capable
of booting Mac OS X and running your PPC-based Mac (and also Intel-based)
so that unit may be something in the way of a FW400/800 + USB2.0 drive with
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Good luck & happy computing!
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I had some similar wonkiness going on with QuickTime, too. But after I installed a divx plug-in, and flip for mac, everything seems to be okay with the QT. iTunes is still a mystery. Any ideas on what my next step should be would be appreciated.
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Ben
PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5Ghz Mac OS X (10.4.8) 3GB RAM, 500GB hard drive, ATI9800XTThere are files that are not brought along with Archive and Install.
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Archive and Install never works with Apple's Pro apps.
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Hello, everyone. ive been searching the support pages of the apple site for an hour and i cannot seem to find a resolution to this...
I just peformed an archive and install ad now i cannot log in. i think this happened once before and i called apple support and i was told to log in as root. the problem i am having is that the login window does not give me the option to change the user field, it only allows me to type a password. every time i type my password, the login screen shakes. so even if i wanted to type root into the user field, i cant. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.
p.s. i was running tiger but lost my tiger disc so i am using the disc that originally came with my g5 which has panther on it...
daynaHi, Dayna.
1. Be sure the Caps Lock key isn't active: passwords are case sensitive. You may see an exclamation point on the right side of the password field if the Caps Lock key is engaged.
2. There was a similar problem if one performed an Archive and Install (A&I) of Jaguar (10.2) over Panther (10.3): see "Can't log in after installing Mac OS X 10.2 over 10.3." I've not heard of a similar problem with performing and A&I of Panther over Tiger, but it may be related. However, before trying the advice therein to perform the A&I without selecting "Preserve Users and Network Settings" you'd need to have a backup of your data, otherwise you risk losing everything in your account. IMO, the most expedient solution would be to buy a replacement Mac OS X Tiger disc. If there is an Apple Retail Store in your area, that would be the quickest place to purchase one.
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Running Time Machine after 'Archive and Install'
I had a strange problem with my iMac with finder and dock crashing on booting and not being able to open any files. It's been off to an Apple centre for repair, they've done an archive and install to replace the OS, and I apparently now need to run Time Machine to restore my system (don't have the computer back yet).
Am I right in thinking I'll just plug in Time Machine hard drive, insert my Leopard CD and then use Utilities > Restore System?
What's worrying me is I'm going to reintroduce the problem that was fixed by the Archive and Install in the first place! Any help or thoughts very much appreciated,
AndrewAndyAsb wrote:
I had a strange problem with my iMac with finder and dock crashing on booting and not being able to open any files. It's been off to an Apple centre for repair, they've done an archive and install to replace the OS, and I apparently now need to run Time Machine to restore my system (don't have the computer back yet).
as mentioned you don't have to do that after an archive and install.
Am I right in thinking I'll just plug in Time Machine hard drive, insert my Leopard CD and then use Utilities > Restore System?
What's worrying me is I'm going to reintroduce the problem that was fixed by the Archive and Install in the first place!
that's very likely to happen if the problem was not hardware. did they do anything with the computer besides doing an archive and install? if not, you most definitely should NOT do a full system restore from TM as this would bring your problems back.
Any help or thoughts very much appreciated,
Andrew -
Spell check issue after 'archive and install'
hi,
after doing an 'archive and install', the apple spell check doesn't work no more. whatever program i use with the spell check activated will give me a failure notice as soon as i start typing "spell check could not be detected" (or sthg similar, i get the message in german). the result is a close-to-freeze of that program until i 'okay' the notification.
anybody an idea how to properly (re-)instal the spell check so that my OS recognizes it?
thanks and greets!Get Pacifist...
http://www.charlessoft.com/
then extract what you need from your Install Disk.
Or try reinstalling like the last big Combo update...
The combo update for PowerPC-based Macs...
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10411comboupdateppc.html
The combo update for Intel-based Macs...
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx10411comboupdateintel.html
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