Big wifi mystery!

Since yesterday, *both* my wifi networks fail most of the time. One is Virgin, connected via cable, one is BT, adsl.
I can still use the cable line and router via ethernet (same box as the wifi), so it's not the Net connection as such. But whenever I try to connect to either of them by wifi, an iPad says "can't connect", and a Mac times out. No password prompt even.
And much of the time the devices can't even *see* either of the networks.
I had the Virgin one working for a couple hours last night, without me having changed anything. But now it's gone again.
Rebooting the routers doesn't work. What can this be??

Try the following:
1. Reboot your router. Turn router off for 30 seconds and on again
2. Settings>WiFi>Network name>Forget this network.
3. Settings>General>Reset>Reset Network Settings.
4. Reset your iPad. Hold the Sleep and Home button down for about 10 seconds until you see the Apple logo. Ignore the red slider.

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