Bitrate Balancing for DVD

Hey guys,
I'm trying to fit multiple sermons (about 30 minutes each) on a DVD. I've seen many churches do this, and I feel like the quality is leaps and bounds a head of what I'm producing.
I'm currently capturing using a Blackmagic DeckLink (SD-SDI) in an 8-bit AVI 720x486. I import that file into Premiere (CS6) using Blackmagic's sequence settings, and export to an MPEG-2 DVD same resolution. I've tried different settings for VBR and CBR using maximum bit depth and still everything seems blocky and loses so much definition. I realize that the more I compress the file, the worse the video will look, I'm trying to fit 3-4 sermons per DVD(single layer). Am I wrong in assuming that's too many for one disc? The original file looks fine, but as soon as it's compressed to ANY format I lose all the dynamic range of the colors. Blacks look more grey, the image is blocky. Is there a better preset than MPEG-2 DVD?
Thanks in advance everyone

I'm getting one now, it won't be COMPLETELY accurate, because with trying to put so many messages on a single DVD, the bitrates vary. I generally try not to make the file smaller than a Gig, but even when doing a single sermon on a DVD (for our campus), the maximum file size has bever been more than 2.5G and it's still looks like crap. I'll upload the screenshot for that since that's what I'm making now. I guess this question has evolved more into a "What am I doing wrong?" than a "bitrate balancing" question.

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