Bitrate budgeting and motion menus

I'm building a project that has about 8 motion menus that use the same 30 sec..avi in the BG. This project is over 3.5 hrs. now for a DL-9 so every minute matters. Will Encore essentially point to the same asset for the motion menu each time it's used and therefore figure 30 seconds for the motion menus total? Or will Encore use it 8 times and I need to figure 4 minutes total?

Julie Ann.
The quality can easily be checked by running an MPEG-2 export of a small section of the original to test it.
Write this to an RW disc, and play it - this is probably the best way to see what the final quality will look like in the real world without wasting the time it would take to encode 3 1/2 hours and then decide you want to do a 2 disc edition instead!
Re the "dummy" chapter points.
Yes - 2 very close together is what I had in mind, but with 32 chapters I reckon you will be okay anyway. Don't use Dummy chapter points unless you really have no choice - it will mean having to remember this when setting navigation links (I did one recently and thank all the Gods I did a DL-R burn to test, as I forgot to adjust the menus for the dummy CP! That would have been embarrassing at the factory!)
What I mean by "Hidden" is a chapter point added near the place where the LB has to go, not at the end. It would not be listed in the chapter menus, and would not be referred to in any navigation. It would exist solely to give Encore somewhere to place a layer break - and ONLY if you cannot get this set using the Automatic procedure.
There is another nasty Gotcha here as well.
The maximum Layer 0 size is actually
i different
for DVD-R DL and DVD+R DL discs. Encore cannot write to DVD-R DL discs, so please be seriously careful here.

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2) Director is essentially a dead program. Since Adobe acquired it a couple of years ago, they have made no upgrades of the program. Nor have they made any announcements on continued development.
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Leave your current project alone for a while. And open a new project with less content (3 mins. or less) but use the very same menu and add different images.
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By sdmacuser at 2007-09-30
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