Black and white profiles LR4 to CS6

Yesterday when I opened a black and white image from LR4 to Photoshop CS6 they opened as RGB-sRGB, today after doing an update to both photoshop and camera raw 8.1 they now open up with an embedded profile mismatch of gray gamma with the option to change the working profile to dot gain 20%. I don't recall seeing these options before, looking in edit-colour settings I don't have any options to change to RGB.
I can of course change the settings to RGB in image-mode and also in edit-convert to profile but this would be a real pain to do this everytime I want to work with b/w.
Hope this all makes sense, I'm not an expert with all this colour profile stuff but have to submit all my files to camera club competitons in sRGB...
help needed please...
Thanks Stuart

i am having the exact same issue, except i noticed that if LR4 is set to send raw files to PS6 with a ProPhoto RGB color space then it will do so, whether the file has been made into B&W in LR or not. But when LR is set to send files to PS with AdobeRGB (1998) color space, it will send any raw files that were made B&W in LR with a gray gamma 2.2 profile instead. is this intentional or is it a bug?
i tend to use AdobeRGB (1998) for my color photos, because I find it converts colors much more easily when making prints or converting for web, whereas with ProPhoto, since it's showing you colors that can't be produced on a print or a web file, sometimes the colors will change drastically when printing or making web files. i'd like to keep it sending my files to PS with the AdobeRGB (1998) color space, but it seems really limiting to be editing my B&W photos in a gray color space

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hi
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Ask the lab but I'd be shocked if they asked you for a grayscale document, assuming this Epson is for output of photographic images
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(but the when i save a photo edited with for example an adjustament layer(black&white) photoshop convert it in a grayscale image ,isn't it?
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Gamma would be used for output to an emissive display, so something like 2.2 to mimic sRGB behavior might be one option
. but may i ask a question?
because i guess i'm confused now
Gray and Spot settings are related only to convert from rgb to mode grayscale
or these settings influence what i see in the monitor when for example i add a black and white adjustament layer?
by the way gray and spot set both at dot gain 20% , are the dafault?
thanks

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