Black Clipping indicator

Anyone have any tips about setting the black clipping points? I'd like to set up Aperture 2 to have similar warning as to Lightroom, but I can't figure out how. Seems like the black clipping (or Cold Area, as Apple puts it) is affected by the following:
1 - Cold Area Display Threshold in the Preferences;
2 - The "Boost" settings in the RAW Fine Tuning in the Inspector
3 - The "Black Point" settings
Also, it seems that the clipping overlay does not work in monochrome. All I get is either blue or red in the various clipping indicators and not a monochrome, even after I changed the settings in the Prefs.

First off, this image is not a raw image. It is a compressed small-raw of some sort so Adobe's normal demosaicking algorithms are not being employed, and Adobe is having to reverse engineer R, G, B channels from Y, Cb, Cr channels, so something may be non-optimal this conversion.
Secondly, at least with this non-raw Y, Cb, Cr image, there are some Y pixels that have zero value in the file, so no matter what you do, other than adjusting the bottom of the tone curve above zero, they will be clipped.
It also seems that the clipping indicator triangles are not affected by the Detail settings so turning off any noise-reduction or sharpening is required show you which pixels the clipping triangle is keying off of.
Here is your image opened in an RawDigger which is a raw analysis program that indicates the Y channel does have a minimum value of 0:
Here is a screenshot of LR with a very small crop on the shadowed background area above the performers, with the Detail settings turned off--no noise reduction or sharpening, and the Toning settings as bright as possible, and in that small crop area, there are a few black pixels that are highlighted blue if I turn on the clipping indicator, so it's not surprising, that with this image, at least, the black clipping indicator doesn't turn off very easily. In this side-by-side, they have the same settings, but the Before image is without the clipping indicator and the After image is with the clipping indicator engaged so you can see the 4 pixels that are 0 in the tiny cropped area:
Here is a DNG of the settings as in the above LR screenshot, other than the embedded preview that appears to be the entire image not the tiny cropped area:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9905000/Dab_143378_smallcrop_maxedtoning.dng

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First off, this image is not a raw image. It is a compressed small-raw of some sort so Adobe's normal demosaicking algorithms are not being employed, and Adobe is having to reverse engineer R, G, B channels from Y, Cb, Cr channels, so something may be non-optimal this conversion.
Secondly, at least with this non-raw Y, Cb, Cr image, there are some Y pixels that have zero value in the file, so no matter what you do, other than adjusting the bottom of the tone curve above zero, they will be clipped.
It also seems that the clipping indicator triangles are not affected by the Detail settings so turning off any noise-reduction or sharpening is required show you which pixels the clipping triangle is keying off of.
Here is your image opened in an RawDigger which is a raw analysis program that indicates the Y channel does have a minimum value of 0:
Here is a screenshot of LR with a very small crop on the shadowed background area above the performers, with the Detail settings turned off--no noise reduction or sharpening, and the Toning settings as bright as possible, and in that small crop area, there are a few black pixels that are highlighted blue if I turn on the clipping indicator, so it's not surprising, that with this image, at least, the black clipping indicator doesn't turn off very easily. In this side-by-side, they have the same settings, but the Before image is without the clipping indicator and the After image is with the clipping indicator engaged so you can see the 4 pixels that are 0 in the tiny cropped area:
Here is a DNG of the settings as in the above LR screenshot, other than the embedded preview that appears to be the entire image not the tiny cropped area:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9905000/Dab_143378_smallcrop_maxedtoning.dng

Clipping Indicator Strangeness Back Again ???

Since updating to the latest version of ACR 8.7.1 an anomaly with the black clipping indicator has returned. Example, open an image in ACR make a slight adjustment to exposure and highlights, now make open up the shadows, and the black clipping indicator magically appears or if the indicator showed clipped shadows the clipping indicator increases. Should it either remain the same or at least slightly reduce the clipped areas? Adjusting the Blacks to reduce the clipping works, but should the clipping indicators be accurate. Happens at all levels of zoom within ACR.
I know Eric worked on the earlier problem that was resolved - was an issue where a dark area was adjacent to a very bright area.
Camera in question - Nikon D4 and using Process 2012 with the Standard Adobe profile
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MK

You need to put the peak-to-peak indicator outside the case structure so it gets updated every loop iteration. To retain the values for iteration that currently don't update the indicator, use a second shift register across the while loop which also goes throught the case structure.
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To see what colours in the shadows are clipping to zero, and exactly where they occur in your image, you can hold down the Alt (Windows) or Option (Mac) key and move the Blacks slider to the left (in ACR 7.x and 8.x).
To quote from the top of page 206 of Jeff Schewe's and Bruce Fraser's 'Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS5' (which deals with ACR 6.x - but AFAIAA nothing has changed in ACR 7.x or 8.x), you interpret the displayed result as follows:
"Unclipped pixels display as white. The other colors show you which channels are being clipped to level 0. Cyan pixels indicate red-channel clipping; magenta pixels indicate green-channel clipping; yellow pixels indicate blue-channel clipping. Red pixels indicate clipping in both green and blue channels; green pixels indicate clipping in red and blue channels; and blue pixels indicate clipping in red and green channels. Black pixels indicate that all three channels are clipped."
Does the same result hold true for the colour of the Histogram Shadow Clipping Indicator?

Thanks, Eric. I'll check out your suggestion about the point curve.
I've already started to do some testing of my own, based on the Histogram's reaction faced with simple images composed only of various combinations of pure (fully saturated) Black, White, Grey (dark, mid and light), Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Magenta and Yellow. The results so far are a little surprising, but I'll report in full when I've had the chance to complete the test.

Highlight/Shadow Clipping Indicator - Show the image too.

The highlight/shadow clipping indicator feature (Alt/Exposure or Alt/Blacks on my PC. Not sure what it is on a MAC)is marvellous and indispensible. But, it could be better, in my view.
When you are checking for clipping using this feature, the image disappears leaving you with only the clipped pixels. Everything else goes black.
The problem is that you only see the effect of your decision on how much clipping you want to allow (if any) when you take you finger off the Alt key.
It is vital, particularly when judging shadow clipping, which is so important in setting the overall contrast of the image, to be able to see the effect of your actions in real time. These actions can be so subjective.
So, would it be possible for the highlight and shadow clipping (i.e. the blown pixels) to appear in the form of a colour on the image, *but* keeping the image visible at all times?
Thinking about it further......it would be great to be able to switch between 'blacked out' and visible in Preferences, or some such.
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>Just curious though, where on the Adobe site would I have found this extremely useful piece of information?
You might start with Photoshop help, which explains those controls and directs you to a
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Hey buddy, really appreciate your attempt to help me.
I went to IMAGE-MODE and make sure I was in RGB. Is that where i
should check? I don't know where to check to see if display is set to
Light and not Ink.
The funny thing is that when I push the Option key in Levels I get the
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happens as I move the slider to the left.
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We were discussing this in another thread several months ago
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Okay, so I recently updated to ACR 6.7.
Since then everytime I open an image there are clipping indicators that won't turn off.
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The second image shows no highlight clipping...
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So while we have an anomoly with the indicator, do we also have a problem with the highlight control itself?
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