Black macbook problem, really strange.

I have an older black macbook I installed lion on it, it boots shows the grey background with the apple logo then shows a circle with a line through it. Help?

See this Apple note. Although it says it covers thru 10.6, it has more thorough steps to follow than the Lion/Mt Lion version.

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Problem starting up a black Macbook

Hi all,
I'm having a few problems with a black Macbook (Intel Core Duo 2GHz) I've been given (I was warned of the faults) and I hope someone will be able to point me in the right direction. The warranty on the machine has long since expired. The hard drive was broken, but I've swapped in one from another Macbook, which works fine.
1. When I hit the power button on the machine, there's a momentary flash from the LCD, then the machine goes dead. This happens every time. To get the machine to start up, I now have to hold down the power button for 10 seconds until the light on the front starts flashing and the Macbook emits a loud beep. Then the machine starts as normal.
2. Once in the OS (Leopard), the fan goes nuts and hovers around 6000RPM all the time. I've followed various bits of advice regarding this, including using Activity Monitor to track down rogue processes (nothing above 3% CPU usage), print jobs (none), etc. The fan is sitting at a healthy 41 degrees Celcius (105 Fahrenheit). I've downloaded smcFanControl, but for some reason I can't get this to run. I double-click the icon, but nothing happens -- weird. I don't really think manually controlling the fan speed addresses the root cause anyway.
Edit: I've also tried an SMC reset for the fan problem, but this did not solve the problem.
Edit 2: Just discovered another problem, which is more than likely related to point 1. The machine was in sleep mode with the lid shut. I lifted the lid and the LCD came on so I could see my desktop then the machine abruptly went dead.
Do I have a borked logic board?
Message was edited by: Rob Schmitt

Hi Lyssa,
Thanks for your response. Yes, I have the original discs for the machine.
I've just booted the machine into safe mode (still had to do the same trick of holding down the power button for 10 seconds or so), but it made no difference. The fan's still spinning at 6200RPM.
Just noticed one thing. Right before I get the Apple logo when the machine boots, I get a flashing folder icon with a question mark in it. This lasts for only 1 second. I can confirm that the hard drive is perfectly functional as it boots just fine in my other Macbook.
Rob
Message was edited by: Rob Schmitt

I have a black MacBook from 2008 and tried downloading snow leopard 10.6. It told me I had to restart my computer. However once I restarted my MacBook my touchpad and keyboard were not working so I am unable to sign in. I have no idea what the problem is

I have a black MacBook from 2008 and tried downloading snow leopard 10.6. It told me I had to restart my computer. However once I restarted my MacBook my touchpad and keyboard were not working so I am unable to sign in. I have no idea what the problem is

You cannot download the upgrade to Snow Leopard.
Upgrade Paths to Snow Leopard, Lion, and/or Mountain Lion
You can upgrade to Mountain Lion from Lion or directly from Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $19.99. To access the App Store you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.6 or later installed.
Upgrading to Snow Leopard
You must purchase Snow Leopard through the Apple Store: Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Apple Store (U.S.). The price is $19.99 plus tax. You will be sent physical media by mail after placing your order.
After you install Snow Leopard you will have to download and install the Mac OS X 10.6.8 Update Combo v1.1 to update Snow Leopard to 10.6.8 and give you access to the App Store. Access to the App Store enables you to download Mountain Lion if your computer meets the requirements.
     Snow Leopard General Requirements
       1. Mac computer with an Intel processor
       2. 1GB of memory
       3. 5GB of available disk space
       4. DVD drive for installation
       5. Some features require a compatible Internet service provider;
           fees may apply.
       6. Some features require Apple’s MobileMe service; fees and
           terms apply.
Upgrading to Lion
If your computer does not meet the requirements to install Mountain Lion, it may still meet the requirements to install Lion.
You can purchase Lion by contacting Customer Service: Contacting Apple for support and service - this includes international calling numbers. The cost is $19.99 (as it was before) plus tax. It's a download. You will get an email containing a redemption code that you then use at the Mac App Store to download Lion. Save a copy of that installer to your Downloads folder because the installer deletes itself at the end of the installation.
     Lion System Requirements
       1. Mac computer with an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7,
           or Xeon processor
       2. 2GB of memory
       3. OS X v10.6.6 or later (v10.6.8 recommended)
       4. 7GB of available space
       5. Some features require an Apple ID; terms apply.
Upgrading to Mountain Lion
To upgrade to Mountain Lion you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.8 or Lion installed. Purchase and download Mountain Lion from the App Store. Sign in using your Apple ID. Mountain Lion is $19.99 plus tax. The file is quite large, over 4 GBs, so allow some time to download. It would be preferable to use Ethernet because it is nearly four times faster than wireless.
     OS X Mountain Lion - System Requirements
       Macs that can be upgraded to OS X Mountain Lion
         1. iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)
         2. MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)
         3. MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)
         4. MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)
         5. Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)
         6. Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)
         7. Xserve (Early 2009)
     Are my applications compatible?
         See App Compatibility Table - RoaringApps.
     Am I eligible for the free upgrade?
         See Apple - Free OS X Mountain Lion upgrade Program.
     For a complete How-To introduction from Apple see Upgrade to OS X Mountain Lion.

Oracle 9.2: Really strange problem so Please Help!

Hi All,
I am having a really strange problem and I don't know why it is so. I have a simple sproc (for testing) that updates one column in a table and the where clause uses two in params and the set clause uses a local variable. I stepped through it in JDeveloper and saw the execute of the update and commit statements and in params' values and the local variable's value, but the row will not be updated! If I changed the where clause to use literal values (303 and '1045225') and the set clause to use 3, then it works. If params and a variable are used for these three values, the row does not get updated! And when I added the dbms_output.put_line to print out the param's value and the variable value, they are all there! Here is the code:
create or replace procedure sprocTestUpdate (
     Action          in varchar2 := 'FETCH',
     p_QueueID          in number,
     StatusDesc     in varchar2 ,
     p_PK          in varchar2
as
     --- local varirables
     StatusID     pls_integer;
     MessageTypeID     pls_integer;
     EditActionID     pls_integer;
     v_QueueID     pls_integer := 0;
     --- error constants
     Source constant     varchar2(20) := 'RCSO';
     Sproc constant varchar2(50) := 'spCriMNetQueuePublish';
     --- status constants
     StatusUnprocessed constant varchar2(20) := 'UNPROCESSED';
     StatusProcessing constant varchar2(20) := 'PROCESSING';
     StatusProcessed constant varchar2(20) := 'PROCESSED';
     StatusError constant varchar2(20) := 'ERROR';
     v_errorMessage     varchar2(4000);
begin
     begin
          StatusID := fnc_getQueueStatusID (StatusDesc);
     exception
          when others then
               null;
     end;
     ---set transaction isolation level serializable;
     if Action = 'STATUSUPDATE' then
          update QueuePublish
          set StatusID = StatusID,
               attemptcount = attemptcount + 1
     where queueid = p_QueueID and PK = p_PK;
          commit;
          dbms_output.put_line(to_char(StatusID) || ' For ' || to_char(QueueID));
     end if;
exception
     when others then
          rollback;
end sprocTestUpdate;
and here is the test script in SQL*Plus:
declare
     action     varchar2(30);
     QueueID number;
     StatusDesc varchar2(30);
     PK varchar2(30);
begin
     action := 'STATUSUPDATE';
     QueueID := 303;
     StatusDesc := 'PROCESSED';
     PK := '1045225';
     sprocTestUpdate(action, QueueID, StatusDesc, PK);
end;
thanks.
ben

Ghulam, this is what I was talking about:
<<
StatusID := 3;
if Action = 'STATUSUPDATE' then
update QueuePublish
set StatusID = StatusID,
attemptcount = attemptcount + 1
where queueid = 303 and PK = '1045225';
commit;
dbms_output.put_line(to_char(StatusID) || ' For ' || to_char(QueueID));
end if;
and it won't update! but if I say set StatudID = 3 it will work!
>>
might be better to do :
L_STATUSID := 3 ;
ste STATUS_ID = :L_STATUSID
...otherwise you are just replacing STATUSID by itself,
poor RDBMS-engine doesn't know what StatusId you are talking about

Really strange cluster isolation problem....

We are still using Coherence 3.6.0 and is experiencing a really strange problem with two test clusters:
Cluster 1 uses wka a.b.c.d:9000 and cluster name "cluster1"
Cluster 2 uses wka e.f.g.h:9000 and cluster name "cluster2"
I can using JMX and log files see that both clusters have started successfully with node 1 (the single wka) using port 9000.
A client program first connects successfully to cluster 1 (using cluster 1 wka and cluster name as above). After the program terminate the same client program is run again this time versus cluster 2 (using cluster 2 wka and cluster name as above) but this time the connection is refused and to our total surprise the error message indicates that the Cluster 1 wka node a.b.c.d:9000 has refused connection and that the cluster name should be "Cluster 1"!!!!!!! We have checked and re-checked that the right combination of wka and cluster name (for cluster 2) is specified on the command line the second time....
Short of a DNS configuration problem (we are in fact using server names rather than physical IPs in the command line overrides) that would resolve the two wka node names to the same physical IP I cant see any solution (not involving woodo, alien intervention and/or the Bermuda triangle) to this behaviour. I actually tried pinging the two host names and could see that they indeed resolved to different IPs to eliminate this, unlikely but possible, problem...
It is my understanding that when specifying a unique wka for two clusters there is no need to set up unique multicast addresses / ports (since multicast is not at all used in this case) - can somebody confirm that this is indeed true or if this could have anything to do with our problem?!
Any suggestions or ideas (in addition to hiring a shaman to exorcise our servers :-)) are warmly appreciated...
/Magnus

After studying the problem more in detail I have come to the conclusion that this indeed seem to be a bug in Coherence 3.6.0. It does however not occur with 3.6.1 or 3.7.0 but if the problem is unknown I would have checked it out...
The problem is really easy to reproduce. Create two clusters (can be single storage node, local or remote does not matter) each with a unique WKA port (of course).
Execute a simple client program (non storage enabled) first against the one cluster then against the other. The program I used just looked up a cache ("near-test") and printed its size (in this case zero since I never loaded anything into the cluster).
You don't need to enable pof or anything specia. The cache-config iin the coherence.jar works fine. I have tested this both on distributed clusters on Linux and locally on a single Windows box.
You will notice that the program works against the first cluster but fails when run against the second.
/Magnus

My macbook gets really hot and has other problems

Hi,
I bought the new MacBook Air 13inch two months ago towards the end of February, and there are serious problems with my mac.
First of all, I haven't dropped, spilled water, or did anything wrong to my MacBook Air. There aren't even any scratches.
But whenever I use it, the space above the keyboard and a little of the back of the macbook gets really really hot, to the point where it burns my fingers when I touch it. I always use my macbook on a flat surface, and never use it on my bed or anything.
Also, today the fan or ventilation got really noisy, from the top and bottom. The whole macbook was vibrating because of the fan noise.
And sometimes, my macbook air will stop playing sound. For example, when I'm watching a video or playing music, the sound will suddenly stop and will never come back on until I restart my macbook.
Even now as I'm typing this, the macbook is really hot and I'm very worried it might suddenly break.
I thought of getting it fixed, but the thing is:
I have bought this macbook in another country, and right now I am not living in that country (I moved to a different country). Will I be able to get my macbook fixed here?
If not, what can I do to make this all stop? Or what is it that I'm doing wrong that keeps making all this happen? (I watch movies and tv shows a lot, but everyone else that I know of do too, so...)
Please help ASAP!!

jadelynnn wrote:
I have bought this macbook in another country, and right now I am not living in that country (I moved to a different country). Will I be able to get my macbook fixed here?
Yes. Apple warranty coverage is international.
Try resetting SMC.
    Reset SMC.     http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964
    Choose the method for:
    "Resetting SMC on portables with a battery you should not remove on your own".
Best.

Black Macbook connection problem

Hello
We have 4 Apple computers in our household. We're connecting to the internet using an airport express. Three out of four computers (G4 Titanium Powerbook, late 2008 MacBook Pro, late 2008 Alu Macbook) can connect to this AE very quickly and the speed is fine. One computer (black Macbook 2.16 Core2Duo) has problems. When starting up or waking up from sleep it takes about a minute to find the AE, and then when finally connected it's very slow. I tried to set up the AE from this computer and interstingly, then all other computers can not find the network at all.
Anyone any ideas ?

I had a very similar problem with a PowerBook G4 that I inherited. The final resolution was to do a complete flatten and reload of OS X, but there are a few steps you can try first that are a bit less drastic:
Try the following, and check to see if the problem disappears after each step ...
1a. Delete Preferred Network(s)
o System Preferences > Network > AirPort > Advanced > AirPort tab
o Under "Preferred Networks," delete the network(s) you regularly use from the list.
1b. Delete AirPort Keychain Entries
o Launch the "Keychain Access" application located in Applications/Utilties.
o Click on the "Kind" filter at the top, and look for any "AirPort network password" entries...and delete them.
o Restart, or log out then back in.
1c. Add Preferred Network(s)
o System Preferences > Network > AirPort > Advanced > AirPort tab
o Add the preferred network(s) using the "+" button.
o Restart or log out then back in.
2. Run the Disk Utility to repair Disk Permissions.
3. Turn off the Mac OS X Firewall
o System Preferences > Sharing > Firewall
o Click the "Stop" button.
4. Move System Configuration Files
(Note: You will have to reestablish your network connections settings.)
o Go to /Library/Preferences
o Move the SystemConfiguration folder and com.apple.networkConfig.plist file to the desktop.
o Restart your Mac. (Note: OS X will rebuild the files that are now sitting on your desktop. If this doesn't resolve the issue, you can move the folder & .plist file back to it's original location.)
5. Create a New User Account
o System Preferences > Accounts
o Click "+" to add a new account
o Log off, then log back on with the new user account.
o Try connecting with the AirPort.

Hangs and problems with 10.7.4 on black MacBook 2,1 (2007)

Installed 10.7.4 through software update on my black MacBook 2,1 (2007) w/ 3Gigs ram installed and over 133Gigs free of a 500Gig hd and used it frequently for several weeks. During this time my MacBook experienced very long app launches and in almost every case beach ball hangs with all apps. The hangs could last minutes in some cases and in other cases the applications would quit. I am a long time mac user and have never experienced anything like this before. System Monitor would show very high cpu use and fan would wind at full speed with just a single app like Safari opening. I downloaded the combo updater of 10.7.4 and installed it to see if it would help without luck. I tried all the usual fixes..PRAM, repair permissions, repair HD...etc. I gave up last night I restarted command-r and installed a time machine backup of 10.7.3 from 5/9/12. I am happy to say my MacBook with 10.7.3 is back in place, behaving properly and is as snappy as I would expect from a 5 year old computer. I submitted feedback to Apple on this issue but I wondering if anyone else is experiencing these issues.

You can download the standalone updates:
OS X Lion Update 10.7.5 (Client Combo)
OS X Lion 10.7.5 Supplemental Update

Quick review of my wife's new Black MacBook

OK - so SWMBO chose Black last night at the Apple Store. Store upgraded the stock 512MB (2x 256MB sticks) with 2x 512MB sticks and ran memory test to ensure all was AOK - it was.
This MacBook replaced her 14" iBook G3 700MHz with 30gig HD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW and 640MB memory running Mac OS X 10.4.6 with all latest Apple updates.
First impressions during use and transferring wife's files from her old iBook.
1. Startup was flawless and connected FW400 cable between MacBook and iBook and restarted iBook in Target mode and selected to have all of wife's home files transferred along with other network settings etc. Transfer completed without problems.
2. As soon as startup completed I Restarted (re-booted) and selected Software update. Geeeesh - there was a lot of stuff that Apple hadn't installed on this stock machine. Downloaded and installed all this stuff without problems.
3. Now I ran Monolingual to remove all languages except English. This freed up some 3.2 GB of HD space. This took around 30 mins and placed a great deal of stress on the CPUs and HD. CPU activity was well above 80% (using Top.app) and Monolingual chewed up lots of physical RAM and started eventually to cause pageouts on the 1gig of physical RAM. The top left quadrant of the MacBook got very hot. The lower surface of the quadrant was extremely hot and would be bothersome had it been on my lap. The cooling fan could be heard during most of the time Monolingual was running. I believe the Monolingual also removed a large number of language files - as many as 287,000 as before running it I recall seeing 437,000 files and now only have 154,000 files (can't be absolutely sure about these numbers as I did not log them at the time). However, if this is true then not only do you get some 3.2 gig of HD space back a huge reduction in file count which helps with SpotLight indexing and anything else that has to scan the file system structure.
4. Ran SuperDuper to backup the HD to and external FW400 LaCie 60gig pocket HD. Took about 30 mins. The first run at this caused SuperDuper to complain it could correct the internal HD's permissions. So I quit SuperDuper and launched Disk Utility and ran Repair permissions. This completed with errors and then launched SuperDuper a second time and it did not have problems with the HD permissions. I observed that SuperDuper (not a universal binary) ran far quicker on the MacBook than it did on the iBook - I would say around 2x faster. After SuperDuper cloned the MacBook's HD I then verified I could boot up from the external FW400 LaCie drive. This worked flawlessly.
5. QT Pro didn't come across from wife's iBook so had to reset the QuickTime Pro registration key.
6. The MacBook screen real estate is less than the 14" iBook. It really is the height of the MacBook's screen that causes this. The MacBook's screen is same width as the iBook but is about 1.5" less in height. Overall the MacBook feels, looks and is smaller than the 14" iBook. The MacBook's screen display is clearer and brighter than the iBook's. The MacBook's screen display is very vibrant and more colorful than the iBook for sure.
7. Opening the MacBook screen/lid takes a bit of getting used to compared to the method needed for the iBook.
8. Keys are flush with the MacBook's outer surface which means they do not contact the screen when screen closed. The iBook's keys aren't and stick up some and can over time mark the screen with finger tip grease etc.
9. MacBook's trackpad is larger than the iBook's and very welcomed - as is the two-finger scrolling feature.
10. Adding a pic for accounts was fun as the iSight feature is by default used to capture a mug shot of yourself if you so desire.
11. Performance of MacBook compared to iBook 14" 700MHz is not very noticeable IMO when doing Safari and Mail type activities. Things do happen with more snappyness though. Yes - SuperDuper ran 2x faster but normal use of MacBook so far doesn't tell me it's 2x2000MHz/700MHz or some 5.7x faster wrt CPU clock rates. I'm sure the MacBook is faster at doing CPU intensive things but have not done any scientific performance testing to post results. I get the feeling that this MacBook is maybe 2x to 3x faster and more snappier than the iBook. The Disk Inventory X utility screams on this MacBook.
12. MacBook is lighter, thinner and more easily handled than the 14" iBook. It will also fit into the iBook 14" Bootq bag I bought for wife last Christmas.
13. My wife likes the MacBook very much after a morning of use. She maintains the Black MacBook is cool looking and more professional looking than the White and pleased she chose the Black.
14. We are both very pleased with the Black MacBook purchase at this time.
The 14" iBook is now to be handed down to daughter #1 as a birthday+Xmas present.

Update to my item 4 as there were some typo errors in it (sorry about that).
4. Ran SuperDuper to backup the HD to and external FW400 LaCie 60gig pocket HD. Took about 30 mins. The first run at this caused SuperDuper to complain it could not correct the internal HD's permissions. So I quit SuperDuper and launched Disk Utility and ran Repair permissions. This completed without errors and then launched SuperDuper a second time and it did not have problems with the HD permissions. I observed that SuperDuper (it's a universal binary) ran far quicker on the MacBook than it did on the iBook - I would say around 2x faster. After SuperDuper cloned the MacBook's HD I then verified I could boot up from the external FW400 LaCie drive. This worked flawlessly.

Shall i put a 7200rpm hard drive into my black macbook for logic pro?

hi, i bought high spec black macbook refurbished which came with a 5400rpm drive inside it.
Im using logic pro, and its been running fine with small projects, but when i have a medium sized project using several vst instruments and exs24s using many audio samples, all of which are running off the internal.... i get error messages, system overload messages...and i am unable to bounce to audio file (in logic pro)
im thinking its the slow hard drive which is causing the main problems.
I have 2gb ram. It also takes sometimes over 5 mins to open this logic file. And then some!
Or is this poor performance par for the course, if using just ONE internal drive, for both system files and audio storage....... ?
Are there possible probs which may arise from taking out the 5400 drive and fitting a faster 7200 drive in to my macbook? I hear it will heat up more....so could this mess with other macbook componets?? the excess heat...... or are macbooks bulit to handle 7200rpm drives too??? dont remember is 7200 was an optional upgrade with my model or not......
2.4ghz intelcore2duo.
Anybody fitted a 7200 drive into their macbooks???? all running ok??
Would i simply put the new hard drive in..... and then boot up from boot dvds and my time machine backup....to have a full up to date system, all apps and file intact as they are now???? Im worried it will get messy and problems...... my current drive is packed to rafters with apps and files and work i have done......i dont want to lose a thing.....would it be a simple easy fool proof transition to faster hard drive????
And could i still use the current hard drive? With an enclosure??
Ive heard people have ripped out the opticla dvd drive and fitted ANOTHER hard drive into their macbooks, so the laptop housing two hard drives..... that sounds good...but crazy..... maybe later ill do that....as i hardly use the cd/dvd drive...... and you can always hook it up with wire if need be......
any tips or advice....would be most kind and helpful.
thankyou.

I used Carbon Copy Cloner- do not use Time Machine for this- to make a bootable clone of the drive inside my Macbook Pro, and then installed the new, faster drive. I then booted from the cloned drive, and cloned that back into the fresh internal drive. That being said:
1) I only did this since I bought the laptop used, and didn't get the install OS discs. I would have started fresh and installed everything myself, but then again, it wasn't my laptop, and I didn't care about what was on it. You might.
2) You need to clone to an external Firewire drive if you want to make a bootable clone. Do not use USB. Do not use Time Machine, as its backups are not able to be booted from.
3) The whole replace the internal DVD drive with another sounds pretty iffy to me. Just use the Firewire drive you'll now be having at you disposal for a variety of things, including possibly recording to. I can advise once I know what your interface is, if any, and if you've got a Macbook or a Macbook Pro- I forgot to look.
You will get much better results with a 7200 RPM drive, by the way. You can certainly use the old drive in some sort of enclosure, although it's still a slow drive and all, so I wouldn't really invest much into it. Maybe put it in a USB enclosure and use it for backups, or for transporting material, or for cracking walnuts, maybe, if you have a walnut tree.
Even in this fancy computer age, there is still nothing better than a freshly roasted walnut or pecan. Good luck, L

Hibernate is not working (Black macbook)

Hi, I generally set my black macbook (late 2007 model) to hibernate instead of sleep when I close the lid. I used the 'pmset -a hibernatemode 1' command.
After booting up fresh, the first time I close the lid, it hibernates, and I can wake it fine by opening the lid and pressing the power button. The second, third, etc. times when I close the lid, the sleep light comes on BUT NEVER TURNS OFF!! When I open the lid, it will not wake up, and I have to manually restart the macbook via the power button.
What's more, after the first hibernation, I sometimes find that my bluetooth settings are frozen. That is, when I try to change my bluetooth settings, the spinning cursor comes on, and I have to force quit from System Preferences. Then, going back to bluetooth settings only makes System Preferences freeze again. At this point, I have to reboot in order to access bluetooth settings.
This is really annoying, because I frequently use hibernate in order to save my computer image and not have it wake up via USB mouse or keyboard, etc. Am I alone on this or have other people faced this issue too? Thanks.
Message was edited by: mikester007

I have been experiencing the same problem, though I have tried both the Midnight and Deep Sleep widgets. I've never had a problem with waking from sleep, only with hibernating in the first place... the light stays on and I have to hold down power to get a response. This happens about 1/3 of the time, though it seems to be happening more often since upgrading to 10.5.6.

Black MacBook's paint flaking off?

There are some buzz about the black paint flaking off from the MacBook.
Anybody experiencing this problem with their black MacBook?
Here is the link:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2397

but with all the problems I've been
reading about, I'm really tempted to wait for a
while... what with flaking of the black macbook,
discoloration on the white, mooing and noise with the
macbook pro and heating issues all around...
Dude! Remember where you are. This is a support site. That means if anything goes wrong, people come here for help. But people who are happy and content with their computers don't come here.
I don't know what percentage of problems the Macbooks are having. They are new, and Apple can't test out what everyone everywhere will do with or to their computer...so when people start doing whatever they do, problems appear that were not anticipated. In addition, this is electronics and with electronics, there is a percentage chance of lemons--that's for any electronics that come out from any company no matter how reputable. So no group of electronics is going to ever be trouble free.
This question is, have there been more problems with the MB than expected given this percentage and given that it's being field tested in mass numbers for the first time? If there are more problems...why and were they taken care of? There was reportedly one bad batch. From what I understand, there are no more of that bad batch so you're good to go on the latest ones--or so I've heard. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
My opinion, the MacBook is a FANTASTIC laptop and you should get one. The keyboard can't be beat, the trackpad is great, the screen is wonderful, the built in camera is fun. It is an AMAZING laptop.
No computer is ever guaranteed problem-free forever--and certainly none are ever going to look pristine forever. Like a new car, you will eventually get that first scratch or dent or flake. Laptops take a lot of wear and tear even if you baby them and keep them wrapped in protective covers. Nature of the beast. They go places and get scratched and bumped. But at least this laptop has a magnetic plug, so you know you won't be likely to jerk it off a table and have it crashing to the floor when you trip over the cord.
And you WILL trip over the cord. I did the first week I had it. The magnetic plut pulled right out and the laptop remained undamaged.
Laptops are more delicate than desktops. Again, nature of the beast. Go to an Apple store, test out a MB. If you want it and like it, get it. Cost-wise, it's a great deal for a laptop. Buy Apple care and you'll have it covered for 3 years pretty much no matter what happens.

Black MacBooks - Experiences?

I'll be buying a new MacBook as soon as Apple announces the Leopard upgrade (and provides a voucher for a free bump). I really like how the black MacBooks look, and the price difference (only $50 more for black with a similar configuration) isn't that big of a deal. The postings that I've read about paint flaking and chipping have me concerned, however.
For those of you who own black MacBooks, would you recommend them? Would you buy black again after your experiences with your existing laptop?
I plan on keeping this for a few years, and know that the white finish holds up really well - just want to make sure, given the cost, that it will still be presentable after a couple of years.

I haven't had any problems yet with mine, and it was a Refurb... Some people say that the edges are "too sharp" and it hurts when your hand/palm sits on them, but they really aren't that bad and you shouldn't be having your hands resting in that area anyways (If you aren't typing you can move them elsewhere, they are your hands...).
I think this is where people were getting the peeling (where it first started) and also it is the same area that you use to open the MacBook up with your fingers (possibly causing the "paint to peel" effect).
But I don't think there are that many people compared to the number of Black MacBooks out there, that actually have this problem. My suggestion for if it starts happening, and I wasn't going to freak out about doing a "minor" fix to my laptop, I would just take some clear nail polish (or the "top coat" that they sell) and use it over the exposed area and over the edges of the matte black coat a bit. Make sure it looks smooth on the edges at least (even if not a straight line), the material underneath is supposedly Black too, just more shiny/polished like the white MacBooks, so the clear polish shouldn't make it much more shiny/glossy than it would look without a fix.
This way you at least get to seal it, and possibly reinforce the areas that were peeling (by adding another layer of material with different thickness and durability) as well as possibly preventing the top coat of the MacBook to keep peeling (just think of a bad sunburn and how it peels, if you can get it when the edges of the coating are still flat and attached- which will soon lift up and tear more- then you can possibly nip it in the bud).
Also, if you were to do this, you would want to make sure that you were really careful, have it in a safe place where it wouldn't be disturbed and could stay to dry for hours (away from pets etc), make sure everything could still be opened up ("don't paint the windows shut") and all that type of stuff. But just thinking of this offhand, I don't see any real problems in doing this (you would want to make sure that the nail polish wouldn't "eat away" at any of the layers of coating of course) and it is cheap and should be great for catching any areas from peeling before it gets too bad...

Black MacBook peeling?

I heard various problems with the white and not as much problems with the black macbook. I heard cleaning the black is annoying. WELL, i heard from my friend who works at a apple store that the BLACK MACBOOK Peels. Is this true?
Okay, I made this post to get details but more importantly is to see if anyone can post a picture of this peeling.

Hi :o)
I bought the black Macbook barely 2-3 weeks ago. And have just noticed the first peeling this morning. It is on the black part that is located around the screen. This is on the inside part, not the outside. No damage caused by me or a fall or anything falling onto it either. Where the peeling has occurred, instead of mat, it is now a really very shiny black color.
On closer inspection, two other small areas look like they will start pretty soon too...
Nothing major yet, but I can only imagine what it will look like given some time.
Called the store this morning and they asked that I bring it in so they can see it and figure out what to do. They do not seem to be aware of this problem.
Not sure what they can do, but cannot leave the Mac with them as I really need it. Changing the entire screen section would to the trick though.
I am not too concerned by this, since it is only cosmetics and I am really happy with my Macbook. My only concern is the peeling spreading with time.
MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Refurbished black macbook

I'm looking at the refurbished black macbook with 2.16Ghz speed. So this is the previous generation of macbook and doesn't have SantaRosa. My question is, why is it only $200 cheaper than the regular price of a new black macbook with the SantaRosa chip? Shouldn't it be $400 cheaper? I remember that's how it was when I bought my laptop in May 2007.

When I look at the Refurb store in the UK the prices on the refurbs seem pretty hard to understand.
The price drop percentage doesn't seem fixed - but the really odd thing is that they tell you your going to save 23% off the previous price of £1200 (Example) and list a price that is indeed -23% - BUT this model has since been discontinued or has been superseded by another cheaper model which as new might only cost £1000 now - i.e. it's 23% off it's original price even though the product line might have since taken a price cut - I think it's really odd - you have to read all the details otherwise you might think you've got a bargain only to find it's actually a Core Duo rather than C2D (maybe not so much of a problem now as I've not seen a Core Duo powered system in the refurb store for a while..)

Black macbook problem, really strange.

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