Bloated Library Size - A question re. saving edits vs. origionals

Hi - I often do minor tweaks to almost every photo I import to my library - does anyone know if there is a way to save only the edited versions of photos and lose the originals?? I'm guessing I could reduce my library (which is now around 15 gigs) by around 30-40%- thanks,
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No there is not - one of the key features of iPhoto is ALWAYS saving the original so at any time you can revert to it if you need to
Your options are to use image capture or some other method to import to the finder, do any edits there using a photo editor (not iPhoto - it is a photo management system) and then importing to iPhoto
OR
importing into iPhoto, editing, exporting from iPhoto, deleting from iPhoto and reimporting the edited photo to iPhoto
OR
using some other program
You can suggest this as a new feature to Apple - iPhoto menu ==> provide iPhoto feedback
LN
PS - Disk space is dirt cheap - almost everyone considers the cost of adequate hard drive space to we a very worthwhile investment to have the ability to always go back to the original - just like saving your negatives "just in case"
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