Blu-Ray v HD DVD - the war is on!...again!

Hi im in "PAL" land in the UK here....Just been reading a new article on the BBC news site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4921784.stm about the DVD HD war. So Apple etc. have gone with Blu-ray as we all know, but what does this mean for us film makers? I d love to advertise that we shoot in HD, but whats the point right now - none!
I use FCP studio and shoot with a Sony Z1 in HD, but I can see the quality when editing, but no way of showing it until I have a HD DVD burner in my G5, being in the UK that will be a while im sure once all our friends in the USA have worked out all the bugs...and I will need a compatible HD DVD player and TV, more cash!... so I have to downgrade before writing to a SD DVD. It seems that the HD guys out there have really botched it up again, Im sitting here cuddling my Betamax Video player!
mmmmm small tapes!
Can anyone enlighten me? Any other FCP HD UK users out there with comments?

I remember when betamax lost out to vhs in the consumer wars. But beta SP remains the standard for the world. And only now is it beginning to change.
I find it interesting and a little disheartening that all the real innovation in our business hardware-wise comes from Japan. It's the schools, darn it. Nobody here cares enough to actually get an education and go do something with it.

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I came across this interesting article on the Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD disagreement.
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000623059130/
I noticed the comment towards the end the Apple is on the Blu-Ray board, but DVDSP support HD DVD. So, which way is Apple headed?
Also, I wondered which format, it either (Blu-Ray or HD DVD)will work best with HDV? I would assume that Blu-Ray will support HDV well, since it's coming from Sony. (?)

I remember when betamax lost out to vhs in the consumer wars. But beta SP remains the standard for the world. And only now is it beginning to change.
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Not Really. Try using another batch of discs. Author the project over again..maybe it will help.

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I'm trying to burn a Blu Ray project to DVD and I'm getting this message when I try to build the project:
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Thanks for your reply John.
It's extremely frustrating that this is the case. I'd have started with a DVD project in the first place had I not read this: http://helpx.adobe.com/encore/using/building-finished-project.html , specifically the following excerpt:
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Could one say that the Apple TV does the same job as these high definition players? Let it be noted that I haven't experienced movie quality in iTunes yet.

There are 3 separate issues here.
First, the monitor quality and capability:
If you have 1920x1080 resolution monitor that can display 1080p (progressive scan), then ATV will be significantly inferior than BRD or HD/DVD player sending 1080p signal natively to full HD monitor. If your monitor is less than that (say 1366x768 or 1280x720 and can handle only 1080i (interlace) or 720p), probably not all that much different than ATV displaying at 720p (which is 1280x720). The only thing is the amount of bitrate (data per/second) that ATV content provides versus BRD or HD/DVD content.
Second, all BRD and HD/DVD players "upscales" 480i DVD (Stand Def) content to 1080i/p, which can be quite good. I've not been impressed with ATV's ability to upscale 640x480 content (iTune SD content) to large monitors. Also, SD DVDs are actually encoded at over 800x480 for widescreen content these days and bitrate is much higher than 1500 for iTune movies.
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I am aware that iMacs do not support Blu-ray. However could I use am a Blu-ray player connected via the audio/optical digital in port to watch Blu-ray on my iMac screen ?

I am aware that iMacs donot support Blu-ray. However, could I use a blu-ray player connected via the audio/optical digital in port to watch blu-ray on my iMac screen ?

You could connect a FireWire Blu-Ray drive and use non-Apple player software.
<http://eshop.macsales.com/search/external+blu+ray>
<http://www.macblurayplayer.com>
<http://www.macblurayplayer.com/download.htm>
<http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/>

How do I create Blu Ray Disc with DVD Studio Pro ?

Folks, I think that I'm in trouble... I created 3 HD projects with DSP (i do not have the tapes and fcp project anymore, neither the HDV 1080i mov file) and I need to be burned it with a Blu-Ray Media, and play it with a BR Player... So far I made the following steps:
1-) In FCP, I exported some Quicktime Movies with HDV 1080i60 codec (movie with chapters, menu bg movie, extras).
2-) In Compressor, I used the preset HD MPEG-2 19,0 MBPS for videos, and Dolby digital professional 2.0 for audios.
3-) In DSP I created a HD DVD Project (DISC window, GENERAL tab, DVD STANDARD = HD DVD; DISC WINDOW, DISC/VOLUME tab, DISC MEDIA = BLUE LASER, LAYER OPTION = OTP) with movies, extras, menus...
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thanks a lot for any help.
Best Regards
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That can't be done. Get the tapes back and start over. Get the new Toast in the tutorial I posted to make a Blu ray disc.
You could try this tool to demux the streams, transcode to QT then re-encode for Blu Ray but I wouldn't go that direction unless you know what your doing. You would also be encoding twice which is not good.
Get the original source back and go the toast route from the start.
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I dislike the idea of using a ton of external USB disks for the reasons above and the environmental factors associated with those disks and tape drives.. well it gets kinda expensive real quick when you start to look at current models and limited lifecycles that tape drives have before they need replacing.
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I'm considering how my latest storage monster toy (Hi definition camcorder) is going to eat disk space and realise that very very soon I'm going to want to move archived projects onto some external media that isn't going to consume that spare room in my house.
I dislike the idea of using a ton of external USB disks for the reasons above and the environmental factors associated with those disks and tape drives.. well it gets kinda expensive real quick when you start to look at current models and limited lifecycles that tape drives have before they need replacing.
My thoughts are that Blue-Ray is the sweet spot at the moment but I have heard people on this forum saying that the life of the media is questionable and comparable to various DVD media types.
I did a little digging and found that Archive quality non-organic BD-Rs that use a SiCu substrate approximate the UDO disk format that is traditionally used by large organisations for archival storage.
The UDO format has a life of approximately 100 years and some BD-R vendors are certifying their media for ~50 years. (cost about £25 for dual layer 50Gb today).
The recording technology on the media is radically different to various recordable DVD technologies that typically use an organic dye that is subject to deterioriation over time.
My thoughts are that BD-R will see most consumers out until the next generation of technologies (Protein Coated Disks and Holographic Disks) start to become mainstream and in the meantime we have some significant advantages over the tape guys such as size, random access and costs (being driven down all the time by consumer uptake).
So, what have I missed? Are there additional factors or are people only nervous because of FUD..?
-Andy

If you can't wait to get your feet wet with Blu-Ray or HD DVD...

...then dive in
Scenarist 4
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And check your pockets and the couch for some loose change: 8/
Apparently Scenarist Blu-Ray is available for a mere $59,999, the HD version for the same measly $59,999 and the matching encoder,
CineVision
, goes for just $69,999. Or get the real deal: Buy all three, for only $149,999. B) XD

The pricing is truly scary, considering there are no final specs for BRD as yet.
Seems it is effectively telling all small authoring houses to go to hell. Any bets the counter effect of this is going to be a rapid way of ensuring it's early demise?
The "additional" CineVision seems to be mandatory as well, unless of course you already have the following:
VC1 encoder
H.264 encoder
HD compatible MPEG-2 encoder
Dolby Media Encoder
DTS-HD encoder (always assuming these latter 2 are included. If not, then be prepared to stump up another $8,000 for the Dolby Media Encoder, Mac OSX only, Beta only)
See http://www.sonic.com/products/Professional/CineVision/quicklook.aspx
for full details.
It is also going to ensure that SD DVD (To think I got so much
i stick
in other places for using that acronym a few months back too)
is not going anywhere for a good few years as yet.

Can PE9 burn Blu-ray files to DVD?

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Lots of other posts on this subject in this forum
Yes it can - but
My first attempt played on other players except my new Pioneer player. (Full HD)
The video on the disk was perfect on my computer.
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You need a good fast video card for HD smooth preview, not just the one on the motherboard.
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Chris, if you read the full question, you'll see that I am referring to the "digital copy disc" which is a standard DVD.

Blu Ray yet for DVD Studio Pro?

I haven't asked recently about burning Blu Ray discs in a new version
of DVD SP, so here I am asking again: Has anyone heard any scuttlebutt
about a possible upgrade of DVD SP 4 to allow to burn HDV FCP QT movies
to Blu Ray discs? Toast 10 has been working fine for me so far, but curious
if Apple has hinted at changing their minds and endorsing Blu Ray as an
option?

I do bet my business on it. But by the sme token, having a business means making sure you have back-ups and rotating hard drives also. I had some of the first CDs ever made, and many of them are failing, even some of the more recent ones from the mid-1990s. And these do not include the burn your own.
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