BOE-Hydis sRGB (13N7194) monitor color profile?

Hello all,
Does anyone know what monitor profile should be used for the sRGB BOE-Hydis LCDs?
I'm having a hard time getting it to look right with the ordinary Flexview color profile found in http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-62923
I see the TPFLEX.ICM was not modified after June 2005...
Does someone at Lenovo have an updated profile for this LCD?
Thanks!

Just do an internet search for ICC profile editors/generators/viewers/tools etc. and you will find a bunch of them, commercial and freeware tools. - Look for example at the ICM profile hacker, at LittleCMS or the International Color Consortium, tools like the ICC Profile Inspector ...and so on. - Even Adobe Gamma might be useful in those situations, when you don't have any good colorimeter (GretagMacbeth Eye-One Display, Datacolor Spyder3, X-rite etc.) handy.
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If you read all of this, you are a patient person. Thanks for the attention.
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