Book protocol. Facing pages are imp. What page # starts book?

Just sent out a PDF of a 250 page book to ten people. Its important that facing pages synch up ... text one side, related photo the other.
Some of the people (Acrobat Reader Professional), when they open the PDF - the first page on the left is a blank ... thus throwing the entire document out by a page, and none of the facing pages match up.
Others (Preview, Adobe Reader) open the PDF file and the pages are as I laid them out ... 1st page on the left, second on the right. So all the odd numbers are on the left, the even numbers on the right.
Someone just informed that book layouts require that all the odd numbers are on the right, even on the left.
1. Is there an essential protocol? Even left, odd right? I just looked a bunch of books, seems there is.
2. Why would some readers plug in a blank on the first (left side) page?
3. How do I make a PDF that can't be displayed incorrectly?
All ears,
Ben

The reason for page 1 not having a facing page in the Professional version (I am guessing) is to copy the way books work. The first page of a book faces the inside of the cover, not another page.
Did you have the Pages file set up with Facing Pages? (In the Inspector, Document, a check box under Document Margins.) I tried Print as PDF with a file, once with facing pages, once without. Both showed up in preview as a list of single pages, so you obviously know more about this than I do. But at least if you check Facing Pages, you'll see the thumbnails the way Acrobat Reader Professional shows them.
Sorry I can't really help.

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How do I display PDF in 'book' or 'facing pages' mode?

I don't mean VIEW> PAGE DISPLAY > TWO-UP.
I've created a PDF document designed to be a book. I need the first page (the cover) to come up by itself, or with a blank on the left. Then all subsequent pages to display side by side, odd numbers on the right.
When I open the document in Acrobat Reader Pro it displays it just fine, automatically. But with Adobe Reader it displays page one first, on the left side, and page two on the right ... making the whole document out of sync. There is no blank on the left, nor does it display page one all by itself (as does 'Preview' in Mac).
The document is going out to a dozen people who are helping with the edit. It is imperative that they view it properly. They will all have different Readers. I'd like to recommend they all get Adobe Reader for now (as it is free and comes for both Windows and Mac). But I have to be able to tell them how to set the preferences to get a (BOOK MODE or FACING PAGES).
Any help would be most appreciated, thank you,
Ben

see http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b5979c/0
or you could insert a blank back cover and blank inside front cover page prior to the cover and page 1 respectively.

I am reading in ibooks and i do not see how many pages there are or what page i am on. how do i fix this

i am reading in ibooks and i do not see how many pages there are or what page i am on. how do i fix this

Some books may not display a page number on each page, or the position indicator, because the author did not include them.
Most basic books resembling paperbacks that are mostly words (like Kindle books) will display these because they are so basic
that iBooks knows they need to have that information superimposed, so it just does it.
For more advanced books, the people who made the book may elect to not display page numbers for some or all of the pages.
What book are you reading, and have you looked at another book and had the same problem?

I am writing a book and need to have the margins alternating left and right pages, so that there is sufficient margin for the binding. I have tried different inside and outside margins, the same inside and outside margins, facing pages, changing the maste

I am writing a book and need to have the margins alternating left and right pages, so that there is sufficient margin for the binding. I have tried different inside and outside margins, the same inside and outside margins, facing pages, changing the master, and I cannot get the margins to alternate at print time. The larger margin is always on the left. Can anyone please help me on this, as I have spent hours and lots of ink.

Set up as facing pages with a larger inside margin.

Print job best setup - inside edge bleed from facing pages?

I'm putting together a 32pp A4 report with InDesign CS3 that will be printed from PDF in China. I'm UK-based and I will be passing the file to the printers electronically. I speak no Chinese, yet my client has an office in China and one of their staff (non-graphics expert) will be the middle man.
At the moment I'm setting up my document with facing pages and 5mm bleed. I recall from a recent UK print job using the same document setup that when I output to PDF with Use Document Bleed Settings ticked, the print bureau complained that images which filled one side of A4 and bled off outside/top/bottom of the page did not bleed off the inside. I asked them how to give them what they needed and they said the facing spreads needed to be 'separated into single pages' before I made the PDF - this would enable bleed on all 4 sides. I didn't know how to do that and maintain facing pages to allow me to design on a spread-by-spread basis, so I asked them. They couldn't tell me, so I left it as it was. In the end they had to trim the pages slightly more on the inside to get rid of any white paper.
I'm very keen to avoid any problems at all with this print job, so I want to get the setup and process right in my head from the start.
So my question: how can I set this document up to minimise problems for the printer? I don't mind if that involves another process before exporting, I just don't know what that might be.
Many thanks.

The way you have it setup is the correct way for Perfect Binding.
The image that appears on the right hand page in the picture posted, that area actually goes into the spine area - look at any book that has a spine and see how deep the pages go into the spine.
You will also notice that the image on the right hand page does not go past the crop mark - so in reality it's actually cropped off the page altogether, so there's no need to worry about it.
What you have is perfect - for perfect binding (or saddle stitching)
Don't worry about the script posted earlier - that is for a different type of binding.
Sidenote
When you make a PDF for printing make sure you offset your Crop Marks further than your bleed
Bellow I've used points and pica (but you can use 5mm bleed and offset by 6mm)
Reason:
Crop marks
are needed to trim the page to size when printed. As printers can't
print right to edge of a sheet, and that it's near impossible to trim a
sheet of paper right to the edge of a colour - the colour needs to
extend past the crop line, this is called
bleed.
When you bleed the document, i.e., extend any item that is tucked right
against the foredge (the edges opposite the spine), then you need to
extend this object off the page into a "bleed" area.
This allows for human error when trimming the paper, as each sheet is
not trimmed individually (that would take forever!) they are stacked on
top of each other and trimmed in stacks. It would be impossible to stack
all the sheets exactly even, and there is movement on the press, so
compensating for the movement and the fact they can never be stacked
exactly even - for this reason you need objects to extend past the edge
of the page.
The crop marks
tell the guillotine operator where to trim the sheet. Once they have
the measurements in their guillotine machine it's a simple matter of
rinse and repeat with as many stacks of paper there are.
And printers can sometimes fold and trim a print job folding machine,
and since it's a machine and you have to account for mechanical errors
and human error, you need bleed too.
Bleed is important - If you don't add bleed then the object stops at the
foredge of the paper. And if the blade trims/crops close to the object
but misses by a sliver - then you have a sliver of white on the printed
piece, which is highly undesirable.
So you need crop marks
so the printers know where exactly to cut the paper, and to cut into
the bleed so that you don't have slivers of white.
And yes you need crop marks even if you don't have bleed, if you
don't have any bleed it's likely that the edges of the paper are just
white, so there are no markings where to cut to give the correct size
that you want. So crop marks need to be included no matter what.
And the placement of crop marks is important. As I said earlier, crop marks are
for letting the guillotine operator know where to trim the page so that
it cuts into the bleed area. The bleed area to allow for mechanical,
physical and human error. And seen as the bleed can sometimes be
included in a final printed piece it is not desirable to have anything
other than bleed objects in the bleed area.
For this reason you offset your crop marks to be outside the bleed area. As I'm in
Europe I work mainly in millimeters, so I would set my Bleed Area to be 5
mm and I would set my crop marks to Offset by 6mm.
This ensures that the crop marks do not encroach the bleed area. If your crop marks do
encroach the bleed area you run the risk of the crop
marks appearing on a final printed
piece.
So in Summary
Make sure you have bleed where necessary on your document.
Add the desired amount of bleed - in my case 5mm.
Offset the crop marks
so they don't encroach the bleed area - in my case 6mm.

How do I set inner bleeds for facing pages in Illustrator

I am designing the layout for a 8.5" x 8.5" children's book to be uploaded to an online publisher, and they require a .25" bleed around all the outside edges, except for a no ink area of .125" on the bind side. The document must be set up for single pages rather than spread. The document must be saved as postscript so I can create the pdf using Distiller (per the printer). How do I accomodate a different set of bleeds for facing (even/odd) pages within one Illustrator document?
Here are the guidlines I was given (this is the only image):
[IMG]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1604/xulontrimguide.jpg[/IMG]
Is this even possible? Or will I need to use InDesign? The document is already setup in Illustrator with an individual artboard for each page, and I'd rather not go through the hassle of transferring it all to InDesign. If I must, though, what is the best option for setting it up as an InDesign document, and how can I adjust these bleeds accordingly while retaining a singlepage pdf for saving as postscript?

Illustrator doesn't have a consept of facing pages, so you'll need InDesign to do that.

Cross-references go to facing page when PDF'd

Is there a workaround for this? Mac, CS5.5. (I also have CS6 but still can't get the file to open!!)
I have a large book file, with facing pages. Cross-references throughout, exporting to PDF via PDF (Print) to get separate pages rather than spreads.
The resulting bookmarks are all correct, but the cross-references go to what would be the right hand page instead of the noted page. So, if the cross-reference is supposed to go to left page 84, it actually goes to right page 85. That works fine if the PDF is viewed in 2-up view, or exported as full spreads, but not in single page view.
Is there a solution? Or is it fixed in CS6?

Yes. There are five in one book. All the page links lead to pages in documents within the book.
The Contents page is in one InDesign document. It has links in it to pages within the other four InDesign documents.
Currently, clicking on the links in the exported PDF of the book takes you to page 1 - except for links to pages within the same InDesign document, and one link on the Contents page which leads to the correct page (that link is set up in the same way as the others).
EDIT: BTW - I will be leaving work in about 30 minutes, so I won't be able to try out any fixes until tomorrow, about 10am (London, UK).
UPDATE: When I checked the broken hyperlinks in Acrobat Professional, all of the page links that led to the cover were set to go to page 0. But in the InDesign document, they're all set to go to the correct page.
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Baseline grid? How do you make type line up across facing pages?

I'm laying out a book in Pages, and I have it set up as 12.5-point type on 15-point line spacing, exactly. The margin at the top and bottom of both pages is 0.9 inches. There is a header and a footer set on each page at 0.4 inches. But occasionally, one page will have 32 lines of body type on it, and the facing page will have 31 lines. No change in type size or leading on either page.
When I saw in the Pages user manual that you could specify the line spacing "exactly," I thought that was the solution. But still, occasionally, I will get two facing pages do not line up exactly, one still has 32 lines and the other 31.
I thought, hmm, what if I change the leading to 14.9-point on the 31-line page just to see what happens. Weirdly enough, the spacing does tighten up, way more than enough to fit that 32nd line onto the page, but the type does not flow back in from the next page. It just leaves a bigger space there than before, and still 31 lines. I'm stumped.
Is there any kind of baseline grid feature in Pages that might cure this? I didn't see anything like that in the user manual, but could there be some kind of equivalent, or a workaround? (Well, besides using Quark or InDesign?) It would look so much better if it didn't have the occasional blank line at the bottom of a page.
Thanks for any advice.

Thanks much, Walt and Peter, you were both right. I rethought my whole document layout, starting with the idea that I would put every line of 12-point body type on a 14-point slug. So I made the page length a multiple of 14-point lines. I also had some 16-point chapter titles that I formatted to be on 28-point slugs. I was not consistent enough in my chapter headline formatting before. And I tweaked my top and bottom margins so the length of the type area on the page would accommodate 37 lines of type. Once I had this setup, I was confident it would work. It did. For a while. Then I ran into a page that had only 36 lines, not 37. Hmmm. Yes, that's where unchecking the "prevent widow and orphan lines" box paid off. It allowed a line to flow back from the next page and fill in the 37th slug.
It doesn't have the elegance of setting up a baseline grid and locking the type to it, but it works. Thanks again for your assistance, guys.

Question regarding bleeding and facing pages.

Hello,
i'm in trouble with my first InDesign document which is a 96 pages Magazine. It will be printed on A3 sheets stapled in the middle. My printing guy said that it's ok as A4 pages with 3mm bleed.
So now when i'm trying to export as a printed pdf (i check mark that i want to use the documents bleeding settings) it exports with sections from left and right depending on the pages (the left page exports with ?? i guess 3 mm ?? bleed from the right page and so on). If i override the bleeding settings and i set it to 0mm it all ok but i fear that some pictures or text might get cut off since i have all planned with the bleed markers in indesign.
And i can't uncheck the facing pages since i have some graphics (charts and so on) that spread from one page to another (on same spread).
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You should ask the printers to use PUR (polyurethane reactive) Bind when making a perfect bound book - that's a much stronger glue than EVA. It won't even break apart or fall apart going from freezing cold (out in the car over night) to being warmed up, which happens with EVA binding. But the PUR bind seems to be a lot more popular and stronger.
Failing that, getting the book threadsewn also helps to keep pages together. If you have a large print run and need these to last, then I suggest perfect binding them with a threadsewn finish.
I've definitely seen and done 96pp saddle stitched (well personally I have imposed, printed and delivered these). You might have to sacrafice a drop in weight on the body text. It can get ugly, but it's definitely doable.
My suggestion here would be to ask the printers for a similiar 96pp saddle stitch sample that they've done before, to make sure you're happy with it.
In fact, you can ask them to send you out a dummy (a blank version of the book trimmed and folded) to make sure you're happy with it.
It really is disppointing to get a printed job back from the printers and you discover you are not happy with the binding method.

The inline line object in the header is offset in facing pages. How can I make it align with the outer margin?

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Hi Debra,
Click on Inspector > Layout > Section > Configuration
Is there a tick in 'Left and right pages are different'?
Please post a screen shot of your headers. That will help to show what you are trying to achieve.
To take a screen shot, hold down the shift and command keys, then type 4. The cursor will change to crosshairs. Release the shift and command keys. Drag over that part of your screen then release the mouse/trackpad. A screen shot will appear on your desktop. In a reply to a message, click on the camera icon in the Toolbar above your reply and
Choose File > Choose > Insert Image
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Remove any personal details before taking the screen shot.
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Possible to view PDFs in Preview app as facing pages?

Is there a way to view a PDF with facing pages in the Preview app? Like if you had a book open?
(Other than slideshow?)
Regards,
Karen

Thanks,
Tried that, no luck. Are there any other settings I can try?
BTW, I can display the same PDF with facing page in DevonThink and Journler with no problems.
Karen

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I recently updated by Mac System to Maverick just so I could update to the new version of Pages. In so doing, I gave up my old MS word program (because it was outdated for this system). But Pages did most of those things I needed.
HOWEVER
Now, I am trying to format a .pdf file to publish a book and I CANNOT see how to set "mirror margins" or "facing pages" in order to properly format my book. What happened to this feature (and what the **** was Pages thinking when they dropped this feature, if they did?).
I saw another post that suggested trashing Pages 5.0 and getting the old version out of a folder and using it (not sure I can now that I'm running Maverick).
Do I need to go buy a new version of MS Word so that I can format books now?
Help!
(And I need it right NOW).
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Both Pages '09 and Pages '08 work with Mavericks.
http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=3527487677f0c 6fa05b6297cd00f8eb9&mforum=iworktipsntrick
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Exporting to a PDF with facing pages

Please help, I have encounter a problem with InDesign CS4, which I didn't have with CS3 version.
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Now, I tried to check "Spreads" in the export to PDF dialogue box and what happened is that Acrobat resized spreads containing 2 facing letter-size pages onto a single letter size page. The cover appears and prints fine, but all the spreads are downsized.
What am I doing wrong????

Thank you very much, I went into Acorbat's file-properties and set it up there and it worked!
but for some reason I never had to change settings in Acrobat with InDesign CS3 documents

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1
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6
But i would also like to print this out on my office printers so that it looks correct and I can fold it. So when printing it would look ike this on each printed page
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