Boot from external firewire HD with ibook G4

I have installed a copy of my tiger OS on a passport studio portable HD. I then upgraded it to leopard using my installer disk. I am able to boot my desktop imac with it but I cannot do the same for my ibook which is what I want it for. I used the "universal method" of installing to the drive. It is partitioned using APM as instructed. The drive shows up on my desktop and the software is there but I cannot boot from it using system preferences, holding the option key or even restarting from the installer disk. I am open to any suggestions at this point.

The Passport Studio?
I'm not familiar with that devices specifications;
but if it sports USB 2.0 and not FireWire400,
and does not have the equivalent of an Oxford
chipset, it won't support booting PPC Macs.
Or it may, but sometimes a brand of hard disk
within some enclosures don't boot Mac well.
Anyway, you could see if the OS X Installer's
version of Disk Utility can repair the disk drive
or see if there are any error reports from there.
Apple Partition Map is the forma; HFS+ should
work, if it isn't the same and there is no option.
But Intel Macs use a different format scheme.
{Is the installer disc a suitable one for the
computer you have, or is it from a different
Mac model and version? Is it older than
the computer, or is it the as-shipped disc?
It would have to be a machine specific or
retail disc newer than the as-shipped OS.}
Newer Macs with Intel processor can boot from
a properly formatted USB 2.0 externally powered
hard disk drive and enclosure. Or in some cases
a USB powered device... Or, a reduced version
of OS X on a specially-prepared USB Flash drive.
Was the system on an external FW HD put
there via a clone utility, as taken from a full
normal installed system, from a computer?
Or was the external FW HD the recipient
of a full new installation to the attached drive
from the host computer, as an optional place
to install the OSX version you have?
There are some rules, of those a few can be
found in the home page, Carbon Copy Cloner.
The basics for cloning vary with the software
utilities used and it is possible to make a bad
clone which cannot boot a computer in FW.
Or one so corrupted, that an hour's wait and
time spent fixing bad permissions is needed.
In the meantime, I am set to go a few hundred
miles and won't be taking a computer; no net
and too cold of weather.
Hopefully someone will see this thread and
add some thoughts on the topic. Sorry I was
not of more help.
Good luck & happy computing!
edited.

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I'm Indexing the firewire drive now (OMG is that slow or what!), but I'm not expecting this to make any difference. I'm stumped. What am I overlooking? Please advise.
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R MacCool,
"What if I manually drag and drop the 4 folders (from the Tiger DVD) onto a second internal SATA drive without partitioning the drive first? Will I be able to boot off an internal SATA drive like that? When I installed Tiger on the external firewire I see that 4 folders are there - I could drag them from that drive onto the second internal drive. Does that work?"
No, this does not work. MacOS X consists of more then 20,000 invisible files, most of them somehow connected and referencing each other.
MacOS X DOES boot from external firewire drives, both hard disks and DVD drives.
Why don't you just upgrade your current 10.3.9 to Tiger using this procedure: 10.4 Tiger Upgrade: Decision tree+Checklist?
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I am not a technician, but it could be that the firmware is the primary source for connectivity. After MacOS X has booted the internal firewire drivers might take over and "overrule" the firmware (this is why you can see it in the startup disk preference pane) but at boot-time it exclusively depends on the firmware. This theory might be completely wrong though.

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Hello there.
I got a brand new 17" 2g intel iMac and I'm very happy with it.
However I missed my 2 internal drives so I bought another firewire drive to make backups, having an emergency system, etc.
But apparently I can't install a system with this external drive (nor in the second ext. drive I got).
Is this a common issue? Do I have to do something?
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- A GUID partition is required to install (new) an Intel version of 10.4.x. If the partition is APM, the installer will not recognize it as bootable and will not allow for installation. In this case, the GUID format is required.
- an APM partition can be used to boot the Intel as long as it is cloned.
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Close, but no cigar! Copying by drag n drop misses invisible files necessary for a boot volume. The way to do this is to use one of the cloning programs like SuperDuper! or Carbon Copy Cloner to copy everything needed to make the FW drive bootable. You can even specify to NOT copy all your files if you wish.
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Ikrion wrote:
I need to get my computer (iMac G5) to boot from a firewire drive that does have OSX installed on it. I understand from other posts that a bluetooth keyboard will not help seeing as the handshake does not occur until the operating system boots as well. Is there any way to get this to work? I have tried selecting it as the startup disk in System Preferences, but that hasn't seemed to work. I do NOT have a USB keyboard anywhere that I can use (away from home in the boondocks).
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If it mounts then you can install OSX or clone OSX and then boot from it. From what you are saying a bootable partition will boot on 400 just not on 800, which is quite odd, I concur.
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Dale,
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Problems booting from external firewire drive

Here's a weird one...
I'm trying to help a buddy with a 3rd gen MBP and a new WD 'My Studio' firewire external drive.
He can mount and use the drive but is unable to boot from it. When starting up his machine with option, the drive doesn't show up as selection. The really odd part is the drive does work if plugged in with the USB cable!
The drive in question DOES work as expected on my 5th gen MBP with firewire. Further, I can stert my MBP in target disc mode and it will function as expected as a bootable external drive for his machine. The system in question was cloned with Carbon Copy Cloner. And again, it boots from my MBP.
I've tried different sets of cables (even though everything works on my system). I actually had him send the drive back for warranty replacement but of course the new one behaves the same way.
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baltwo wrote:
FWIW, many WD HDs won't boot Macs and booting Macs isn't supported. Details at their site. That's the main reason I never recommend their crappy HDs.
Actually I'm very familiar with that list- spent a lot of time looking at this past week!
Ironically, the majority of that page is a list of drives which they claim WILL boot Macs. In fact, the list is entitled "List of Mac-bootable WD external drives..."
And yep, mine is on there...on the list that reads "The following external hard drives should be bootable on Intel-based Mac computers systems through FireWire (1394a/b)" is "MyBook Studio" as well as my drive model number.
But that's all beside the point. Like you, I couldn't recommend their drives at this point. At least make sure if you buy one that the vendor has a good return policy.
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