BOOT ROM VERSION ISSUES WITH MINI MAC POWERPC G4 (1.2)

HI,
I AM HAVING SOME BOOT PROBLEMS ON REBUILDING MY MAC MINI. WHENEVER I PUT IN A BRAND NEW COPY OF EITHER PANTHER OR TIGER THE BOOT SCREEN WITH THE APPLE LOGO CRASHES AND FUNNY GRAPHICS APPEARS, RESULTING IN A FORCED REBOOT AND USING F12 TO EJECT THE CD. THE MAC MINI IS FINE BOOTING OFF OF ITS OWN MANUFACTURE CD, WHICH IS A COPY OF PANTHER, BUT WON'T UPGRADE WITH ANY TIGER DISKS. I HAVE EVEN MANAGED TO CHANGE THE DISKS WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WAS SUCCESSFUL IN UPGRADING TO TIGER.
I HAVE LOOKED ON THE INTERNET AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEM. THEY MENTIONED THAT I SHOULD CHANGE/UPDATE MY BOOT ROM VERSION FROM 4.8.9F1 TO 4.9.8F4.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN GET THIS BOOT ROM UPDATE? I HAVE LOOKED ON APPLE DOWNLOADS, BUT NOTHING APPEARS TO HELP. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS APPREACIATED.
MANY THANKS
SUPERHEROTIMO

Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
First, a word of etiquette, writing your post in ALL CAPS is considered the same thing as yelling. Please don't use ALL CAPS when writing your messages.
Exactly which Mac mini do you have? Is it a G4 Mac mini running at 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 or 1.5GHz? (If it came with Panther install disks, it couldn't be an Intel Mac mini.) Which version of Mac OS X came with your Mac mini? Some of the earlier Mac minis shipped with Mac OS X 10.3.7 and will not startup from any earlier version (most of the retail copies of Panther are 10.3.0 or 10.3.4). If it's a Mac mini that shipped later, it would have come with Mac OS X 10.4.2 and, again, won't startup from any earlier version (most retail copies of Tiger were 10.4.0 but now have 10.4.4). Trying to startup from a disk that's the wrong version will usually cause a "kernel panic" and force you to restart.
So, if your Mac mini shipped with Mac OS X 10.3.7, you should be able to use any retail copy of Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) to update your computer. However, you won't be able to update to 10.4 from the install disk that came with another Mac. You will need to buy a retail copy of your own.
There are no firmware updates available to download to upgrade the "Boot ROM" on your G4 Mac mini, so that option is really not available.
-Doug

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Hi. I've been reading these forums for a long time...first time posting.
The short story: I have a Macbook 5,2 running OS X 10.5 with boot ROM MB52.0088.B06, and I'd like to know how to flash the boot ROM version back to MB52.0088.B05.
The long story:
I have a MacBook 5,2. It came with OS X 10.5. As far as I know, the latest boot ROM for 10.5 on a Macbook 5,2 is MB52.0088.B05 (EFI 1.4) (see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1237).
A while ago, a friend convinced me to update to 10.6. Apparently, with the 10.6 install, it updated the boot ROM version to MB52.0088.B06. Now, I'm concerned that there is a firmware issue (which I might be wrong about, and the reason I think there is a firmware problem is very convoluted but I'll explain if you want). So I decided I wanted to go back to MB52.0088.B05. I had been thinking about going back to OS X 10.5 anyway. So, I backed up my system using Time Machine to a Time Capsule via ethernet. Then I did an Erase and Install with the original 10.5 install disc that came with my Macbook. Then, I used Migration Assistant to restore most of my system from the backup. I should have taken a look at the boot ROM version before I ran Migration Assistant...but I didnt.
The boot ROM version still says MB52.0088.B06.
I tried downloading the MB52.0088.B05 update and running it anyway, and it says my computer doesn't need the update. When I was still running 10.6, I did try the method described here: http://pubmem.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/flash-efi-firmware-update-manually-on-a-m acbook-51/ (which has apparently worked for someone else on a 5,2; see https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3747472?start=0&tstart=0), and it didn't work. I don't know if it's a good idea to try it again now.
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Why didn't my boot ROM go back to MB52.0088.B05 after a clean 10.5 install?
Did Migration Assistant import the previous boot ROM somehow?
Should I do another clean install without MA?
Should I try PubMem's manual method again?
Is there another way I can flack back the firmware?
Thanks a ton!
P.S. I'm posting this in the Time Capsule community as well, since it might be an MA issue. Don't get mad, I'm new. If that's against the rules, I'll take it down.
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Model Name: MacBook
Model Identifier: MacBook5,2
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
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Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
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Hi. I've been reading these forums for a long time...first time posting.
I have a MacBook 5,2. It came with OS X 10.5. As far as I know, the latest boot ROM for 10.5 on a Macbook 5,2 is MB52.0088.B05 (EFI 1.4) (see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1237).
A while ago, a friend convinced me to update to 10.6. Apparently, with the 10.6 install, it updated the boot ROM version to MB52.0088.B06. Now, I'm concerned that there is a firmware issue (which I might be wrong about, and the reason I think there is a firmware problem is very convoluted but I'll explain if you want). So I decided I wanted to go back to MB52.0088.B05. I had been thinking about going back to OS X 10.5 anyway. So, I backed up my system using Time Machine to a Time Capsule via ethernet. Then I did an Erase and Install with the original 10.5 install disc that came with my Macbook. Then, I used Migration Assistant to restore most of my system from the backup. I should have taken a look at the boot ROM version before I ran Migration Assistant...but I didnt.
The boot ROM version still says MB52.0088.B06.
I tried downloading the MB52.0088.B05 update and running it anyway, and it says my computer doesn't need the update. When I was still running 10.6, I did try the method described here: http://pubmem.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/flash-efi-firmware-update-manually-on-a-m acbook-51/ (which has apparently worked for someone else on a 5,2; see https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3747472?start=0&tstart=0), and it didn't work. I don't know if it's a good idea to try it again now.
So:
Why didn't my boot ROM go back to MB52.0088.B05 after a clean 10.5 install?
Did Migration Assistant import the previous boot ROM somehow?
Should I do another clean install without MA?
Should I try PubMem's manual method again?
Is there another way I can flack back the firmware?
Thanks a ton!
P.S. I posted this in the MacBook community as well. Don't get mad, I'm new. If that's against the rules, I'll take this one down.
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Model Identifier: MacBook5,2
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L2 Cache: 3 MB
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SMC Version (system): 1.38f5
System Version: Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L31a)
Kernel Version: Darwin 9.8.0

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