Bootcamp temperature when gaming

hello all,
ever since i made the switch to mac three years ago ive been worrying about my machine, i know its ridiculous and macs dont break fast but i think ive encountered a problem to actually worry about
i like to play team fortress 2 in bootcamp and speedfan shows me cpu's reach 74 degrees, in osx i rarely get higher than mid 60.
ive tried the input remapper sollution a few google searches reccomended me, but ive been encountering problems with that
so im just wondering if my fear of melting my machine is realistic (yeh i know the mac will shut off when overheating due to security but such temps for long gaming sessions cant be good for the machine)
i run a 3.06 dual core geforce gt8800 machine
opinions are appreciated

In general the CPU running at 74C is not unusual during game play. Though if the CPU is running at that temp then most likely your other internals are getting hot as well. Try installing iStat Pro on your Mac side and check all of your temps: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27037
Also there is a program called SMCFanControl that you can use to bring up the fan speeds. It gets installed in your Mac OS however once you set the fan speeds they should stay that way even when you reboot into Windows. You can even create multiple presets. Lets say one speed setting for regular use then another Gaming setting for when you are going to play games.
http://homepage.mac.com/holtmann/eidac/software/smcfancontrol2/index.html
George

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I have a problem: when starting games (Minecraft, Relics of Annorath, Portal, World of Goo tested) my Laptop crashes. The screen gets black and the only possibility to turn it back on is to remove the battery, wait 10 seconds and then reboot. I don't see any error messages, not in the journal and not in the Xorg.0.log. I have a HP 8470w with a Intel i7-3610QM Quad Core and a AMD FirePro M2000 grapics card. I am running kernel 3.10.10-ARCH with fglrx. Is anyone aware of this problem or can help me even just pointing out where to look for the problem? If you need more info, please tell me.
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display: :0.0 screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 7500M/7600M Series
OpenGL version string: 4.3.12441 Compatibility Profile Context FireGL 12.104
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X.Org X Server 1.14.2
Release Date: 2013-06-25
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 3.9.7-1-ARCH x86_64
Current Operating System: Linux tirion 3.10.10-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 11:30:06 CEST 2013 x86_64
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Build Date: 01 July 2013 10:48:42AM
Current version of pixman: 0.30.2
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
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Sep 04 12:43:35 tirion kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
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Edit:
After not finding anything in my graphic settings I just ran lm_sensors with the following output:
strix:~ $ sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0: +57.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0: +55.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1: +53.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2: +54.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3: +57.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1: +55.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp2: +53.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp3: +43.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp4: +45.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp5: +20.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp6: +127.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp7: +0.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
temp8: +0.0°C (crit = +128.0°C)
Could these 127°C be the problem? It's getting pretty hot while gaming but 127°C is almost impossible...
Last edited by strix (2013-09-05 09:49:24)

temp6, temp7, temp8 are strange.... but because it's impossible reach these temps (+127 and +0) I think those sensors are not used or bad report data
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Console gives me nothing conclusive though I don't know what I'm looking for. Any help out there?
Message was edited by: Phoenyx (typographical and grammatical errors)

I find it hard to believe it is an overheating issue when it locks up on login queues. Thanks for the info about Windows but I'm not trying to hard to make things run on that side. XP was just a test.
I have run permission repair using Disk Utility and the Apple Hardware Test, neither finding anything to cause these sort of problems. I'm not trying to spend $100 on something (Disk Warrior) that may or may not fix the problem.
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Maybe you are just pressing certain key combinations or shortcuts randomly. Check in the synaptics software to disable the touchpad when an external mouse is plugged in.
That is the only thing I can think of right now.
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