Booting from Panther Cd from a Tiger installed Mac

I have a Lacie FW HD partitioned as 1: OS9, 2:Panther and 3:Spare Storage Capacity and I need to do an archive install of Panther, but I find that the Panther Boot CD will NOT boot up on any Mac with Tiger installed.
Is this a huge Tiger bug or a bad CD?
Anyone else noticed this?

Hi, FastMac.
I still suspect it's not a bad or defective CD but the age of the CD w.r.t. the Macs you are trying to boot from it: the Macs probably have later firmware versions than that specified on the CD.
Obviously, if the CD itself has scratches, cracks, or other visible surface defects that could prevent one from booting from it.
However, you can see if the CD itself is bad by mounting it and then running Verify Disk against the CD using the First Aid tab in Disk Utility. If Verify Disk gives the CD a clean bill of health, then it's very likely the firmware level incompatibility I discussed before.
Good luck!
Dr. Smoke
Author: Troubleshooting Mac® OS X

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I wonder why you did such a complicated procedure. Boot from thee install DVD by holding down the c-key. Once the installer has started select "Disk Utility" from the MENU. Reformat/repartition the drive, quit disk utility and proceed with the installation.
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Too late nw, but the Archive and Install feature...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120
Would've been the way to go.
Normally, those APPs are on iLife disks... do you have them?
http://www.apple.com/ilife/
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Hi J Robson!
Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (U.S.).
If the Mac meets the Leopard System Requirements. Leopard 10.5.x, can also be purchased at The Apple Store (U.S.).
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This is the correct one Mac OS X 10.4.6 Tiger, (DVD) Retail at FastMac.
And at HardCore Mac.
Both are more expensive, than The Apple Store (U.S.).
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Tiger and Leopard are on DVD.
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Additional info in these links.
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Caveat Emptor!
If any are presently available, examine these items very carefully, and if in doubt, ask questions of the seller before purchase!
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/Home/Library/Application Support/iCal (copy the whole folder)
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/Home /Library/Safari (copy the whole folder)
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Model Name:
iMac
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Processor Speed:
2 GHz
Number Of Processors:
1
Total Number Of Cores:
2
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4 MB
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If you open Activity Monitor it may show a process, or processes, that occupy a lot of your system's time.
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Are there good reasons to upgrade my wife's G4 to Tiger?
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[Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger system requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301341]
[OS 10.3 Panther requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106163]

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