Borderless prints much darker

My document prints fine from Illustrator with the paper setting as U.S. Letter but it clips the bottom of the image. So I select "borderless 8.5 x 11" and it no longer clips the image but it prints WAY darker, from golden do a dark gray brown. Please help! Thank you!

LuMich,
Some printing colour issues are caused by an overly helpful printer driver setting causing a inappropriate colour management at printer level. I may be conceivable that such a setting is invoked when you print borderless, so it may be worth having a look at that (im)possibility.

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Why are the photos i print much darker than the monitor image?

why are the photos i print much darker than the monitor image?

Please read this post then provide some details. What printer model? What operating system? What program are you printing from?
Some programs such as Photoshop give the option to print to CMYK or sRGB color spaces. Even though the printer uses CMYK inks the driver is expecting sRGB data. If CMYK is selected the prints will be much too dark.
Another thing to check is the media type. If you are printing on plain paper and have seelcted Photo paper the prints have too much ink.
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Objects and Images Printing Much Darker When Sent to Press

So, I'm sure this has been addressed multiple times in many other threads, but for the life of me, I can't find one that addresses my specific issues. So here goes...
When producing ads or catalog layouts with drawn objects, be it solid or gradient filled, or when adding color photos to the design, it always happens that everything turns out much darker on their end. It's frustrating and I don't know if it's something I'm not doing, or if it's something in the offset printing process... Advice would be appreciated.
I am currently using ID CS5.5, and am an intermediate to advanced user, but when it comes to color management...I'm lost.
It's disheartening sending out great ads and layouts when they come out so crappy on their end. (PS...forget about asking for proofs, cause I've asked for years on projects like mass catalog printings, and they just don't do it...so I need to work around that). Thanks guys and gals!

its one of those "how long is a piece of string" questions.
as pete said, colour calibration with your monitor may be a factor, but there are many other items to consider, such as:
* the quality of the light in the room in which the monitor is in;
* whether the images being printed are beyond the max ink weight for the paper (an uncoated stock will have a lower max ink weight than a coated stock)
* what RGB-CMYK conversion is being used. to demonstrate this, try this - take an RGB pic, make it CMYK using the SNAP newsprint profile and save it as 1.tiff. then, go back to the original RGB pic and make it CMYK using the COATED FOGRA 39 profile and save it as 2.tiff. now, place both pics into indesign and go to the seps preview and compare the picture qualities side by side.
there are also issues which may be present at the printer's end, but I won't speculate as to what they may or may not be doing. instead, it is worth having a chat to your providers. Providers interested in your work normally take the time to provide as much information as they can.
it seems to me that if images are constantly coming out darker, that the max ink weights for the stocks being printed on are being exceeded. when submitting ads/prints, are you using the ink limit preview in the seps preview panel and checking it against the max ink weight suggested by the publisher or printer?
my buck o'five.
colly

Images seem to print much darker than they appear on screen?

I have been using iPhoto to create cards and then I later save them as .pdf files so I can take them to another mac connected to an Epson 1400 printer and print them. Prior to making the cards in iPhoto, I do basic levels and auto color adjustments in Photoshop. Some of the cards that I am printing seem to be so much darker than the way they appear on screen. I understand that there is a differene between what is presented on a display and the way something may print, but the difference is so drastic. Is this something to do with iPhoto?
Thanks.

rick.pearl
Because every maker of computer, software and printer have a different definition of the various colors Apple and others got together to agree definitions that would work together. So if you assign a color space to an image - sRGB, say - then any software or hardware that respect the color space will be using the same meaning for 'green' or 'blue'.
In iPhoto Preferences -> Advanced, check the box for Embed Color Sync Profile, and this will embed a profile on every pic you add from now on.
As to the one's already in, Old Toad has kindly created an Automator action that will add an sRGB profile to pics already in iPhoto. You can downlaod it from here.
http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=toad.hall&tem platefn=FileSharing7.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.7.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consume r&cty=US&lang=en#
Regards
TD
as to the points: most everything I do is pointless

Print much darker than displayed photo

recently upgraaded to latest Mac system. Using Canon Pixma Pro 9000 printer. When printing image, final print very much darker than displayed on screen! Using LR 4

Have a look at this video: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/getting-started-with-adobe-photoshop-lightroom-4/lightroom-4-pri nt-the-perfect-image/

My printer prints much darker from iphoto than from another program on another computer

ALL printed photos from this iMac are much too dark when printed but are OK when printed from an older Mac OS 9.2 from any other program.

and said 'unstable environment'
What was the original message, in French, I presume?
Can it be, that you are running out of disk space? If you have less than 10 GB free disk space, free space, before you start to work with your iPhoto library again.
Do you have a backup of your photo library?
If iPhoto has been forcefully quit, you need to repair your iPhoto Library.
Double click the iPhoto Library with the key combination⌥⌘ (alt/option-command) held down.
Keep holding down both the keys, until the "Library First Aid" panel opens.
Select first "Repair database" from the panel and let iPhoto repair the database.
If that does not make your iPhoto library readable again, post back.

Printing too dark with CS4 and HP printer

I'm using a Macbook and an HP Photosmart C6180.
Any photo I edit in Photoshop CS4 prints much darker than it appears on screen, regardless of what application I actually print from.
On the other hand, photos I edit in a different application (e.g., Photoshop Elements 4.0), print about as bright as they appear on screen.
I've tried adjusting the screen brightness and this does not help.
Anyone have suggestions to resolve this?
Many thanks in advance.
Brad

I just want to jump on board here. I'm having the same problem with an Epson 2400. All was well two days ago with CS3, but CS4 has changed the picture, so to speak.

Gradients using black print very dark

I created a number of documents using pages in pages 06, which I now use with pages 09. My problem is that gradients using black print much darker than they did before, indeed so dark they are unusable.
The gradients are generally made up of black and white, with the black transparency set somewhere between 30% and 50%. I have tried varying the black transparency and can acheive good results by dropping it to 2% to 8%, but this would involve an awful lot of work setting each gradient in multiple templates and would much prefer if I could just correct this issue by altering a preference or other setting somewhere.
When I use the term print I mean both to paper and to pdf, the results are much the same, however it would be difficult to include an example of the paper print.
Below is a screenshot of part of a document in pages.
This is a screenshot of how the export/print to pdf now turns out.
and this is a screenshot of some previous pdf's I had saved prior to using pages 09.
All suggestions are welcome.

I was sort of hoping I wouldn't need to change my documents as I have quite a few that are used as templates, but I guess this may be the only solution after all.
You should do as Magnus suggests. I'm a little iffy about the but, because if you don't delve into the depths of the Colour Picker there is no but at all.
If you use the Colour Picker as is, without digging into the defaults, you will be defining device independent CIE colours using a device dependent RGB interface for a linear colour space.
In a linear RGB colour space equal amounts of colourant render as neutral gray, just as if you were working in a CIE device independent colour space such as CIELch (lightness, chroma, hue).
The problem with the Colour Picker and the system as such is that it says, "OK, all these colour spaces are for RGB data, so I'll lump them together whether they are linear or not."
The ICC Specification doesn't have a separate category for linear RGB colour spaces (idealised RGB colour spaces) versus measured monitor spaces and (inkjet) printer spaces which are non-linear.
If you play with the Colour Picker, then next to the data model selector (Gray, RGB, HSB (hue, saturation, brightness) and CMYK) there is a button with a barely visible triangular Disclose icon.
If you click the Disclose icon, you will see a drop-down list of installed ICC profiles for that data model, including idealised and linear spaces as well as measured device spaces that are non-linear.
To make matters a bit more complicated, there are idealised and linear RGB colour spaces that serve as substitutes for a proper CIELch interface as in LinoColor/NewColor, but there are no idealised and linear CMYK colour spaces (well, not as near linear anyway).
/hh

CS3 PRINTING VERY DARK COLOR PRINTS ISSUE

Hi,
This is the situation:
I work on an Eizo CG241W calibrated monitor, and Epson 9880, 9800 and 4800 printers profiled with i1 PRO and EYE-One Match Software. But recently we made a move from Windows to Mac, and since then the color prints are being printed much darker then they used to. I havent been able to figure out was causing it. The issue is the same with all printers.
With the black and white prints printed in Advanced B&W and selecting "normal" (not dark, or darker...) they come out perfect. Just as in the screen. But not the color prints. I need to make them really look very very light on screen to get them where they should. Before I needed to make them lighter, but not as much as now. Same images and files Im talking about. Ive used Epson canned profiles and im having same results, variations, but as dark as with the created profiles.
Thanks for reading and any help on this.
Best,
Alex

Hi,
Thanks Seth, Ballard, Lundberg, and everybody.
The problem has been solved but the mystery remains.
The issue wasnt in the steps needed to print. Thats what I do in the studio where I work most of the time. We calibrate monitors daily and the printers every month more or less. Ive been doing it here for over a year with no problem. This started when we changed platforms and equipment.
However, tired of this, we decided to wipe out clean the printers mac station. Reformat, reinstall all software and drivers, reconfig, etc. And now is working. What was the problem? Who knows.
Thanks again to all,
best,
Alex Ojeda
D65 07
www.alexojeda.com

Lightroom 2.6 Problem Printing Borderless Prints on Epson R800

I have used Lightroom to print borderless prints (using the paper setting - borderless -sheet feeder) and all has worked fine until I downloaded the new Apple Epson driver. I found this new Apple driver did not work well as the colours were washed out. So, I went back to the current Epson driver for Snow Leopard (OSX 10.6.2) and I can print again. (The prints are now a bit dark but that can be addressed).
However, I now find I cannot print borderless prints (i.e. with no white edge) via Lightroom 2.6 using the current Epson driver and paper setting of borderless sheet feeder. The printer responds with "media not loaded correctly". When I go to Photoshop CS4 or iPhoto, I can print borderless prints. So, something is going on in Lightroom.
Any suggestions? Except of course to print borderless prints from Photoshop.

Sam,
I am still working on a similar problem with one of my Epson printers. The newer Epson R280 (may be R290 outside the US) works just fine with borderless. The older SP 2200 does not. I have been in communication with Epson, but not yet resolved. For most printers the newest software referenced for Leopard is with EasyPrint, but with this old 2200 the driver referenced is still not nearly as recently released as the EasyPrint frame work. The reply I got back from Epson was not satisfactory because it ignored the fact I am connected to my 2200 via Firewire and not USB, and all reference in the reply was to USB connection. Despite doubting the usefulness of the reply, I will have to move my 2200 much closer to the computer to try connecting with USB, and I simply have not tried it, since I doubt it will help.
My issues with borderless on the SP 2200 are also present when printing borderless from Photoshop CS3 and from Pages. Thus it seems more a problem with Leopard than with Aperture.
Sorry to not be more helpful or hopeful, but I think drivers for some printers are not fully tuned to printing in Leopard.
Ernie

How Do I BORDERLESS PRINT on Epson RX500 in 10.4.7?

Hello,
When I set up my Epson RX500 All-In-One printer/scanner I was using 10.3 Panther.
The Print Setup Utility looked just like it does in the setup guide that comes with the unit.
I never used Borderless Printing but in the "Printer List" it showed Stylus Photo RX500 and Stylus Photo RX500(Sheet Feeder - Borderless).
Now a year later (after upgrading to 10.4.7) I want to do some borderless printing with 4x6 and 5x7 photo paper but the "Stylus Photo RX500(Sheet Feeder - Borderless)" listing is not there anymore.
Also the Printer Setup Utility has changed. The screens aren't like they were in 10.3 (where I select EPSON USB from a pull-down menu, etc).
I went to the Epson Website to download new drivers but they only have
TWAIN Driver and EPSON Scan Utility v2.65A for Macintosh OS X (v10.2.x - 10.3.x)
OR
Printer Driver v3.0aAs for Intel-based Macs with OS X (v10.4.4 or later). There isn't one for PowerPC 10.4.
I CAN print a supposed 4x6 borderless print using Page Setup and "4x6 Borderless" setting for Paper Size but it doesn't come out borderless -- it has borders. There is a 5x7 setting but it doesn't say borderless.
Any help with this problem? I really would like to see the "Sheet Feeder - Borderless" in my Printer List again and do some true bordeless printing!
Thanks!!
PowerMac FW800 (G4), iMac G4 800 SuperDrive Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Thank you so much that was a big help.
After you do that, though, you have to click on the Page Setup drop down menu and select Borderless Sheet Feeder instead of Standard from the list -- that's the part I wasn't doing. It defaults to "Standard", whatever that is, and doesn't make the Borderless Printing available if you don't change it.
After that, though, I couldn't get the border even when I wanted one (which I do sometimes) using the RX500 regular setting (NOT borderless) -- it's makes about a 1/10" border instead of a 1/2" one.
FWIW I found that if you then delete Borderless Sheet Feeder (that I tried so hard to get!) from the Printer List and re-start the computer you will then have true border printing again! Re-install Borderless driver to get true borderless again (ugh). I guess I'll have to do that because sometimes I want borderless and other times I don't.
Thanks!!

Prints too dark with Photoshop Elements 10

My photos are printing out much darker than what is on the monitor display. I have calibrated the monitor and changed the color profile, color management & color space numerous times and they I cannot see any difference in the prints. I've changed the printer settings, still too dark. I have edited the photos and brightened them, still much darker than on the display. I'm using Photoshop Elements 10 with a new monitor and computer. My old computer and Adobe Photoshop CS2 program did not have this problem. Any suggestions?

Check to be sure that color is not managed both by PSE and by the printer. In editor, go to Edit>color settings and check "always manage color for computer screens." Then, go to File>print>more options (lower left in the dialog)>Color Management tab>Color handling: "Printer Manages Color."
Are drivers and firmware for your printer up to date?
Do pictures print well via other applications with your equipment?
Have you printed a file, processed in Elements, at a kiosk, such as at CVS? How does that look?
I assume that you are printing from Editor, not from Organizer. It is said that the print engines are not the same.

Borderless printing in Aperture 2

I just upgraded to Aperture 2.0 and I can no longer make borderless prints on my Canon Pixma Pro9500. I ran the "Printer Calibration" wizard that is supposed to center the image but it made no difference. Here is my workflow using 8x10 paper.
Edit Image
Crop to 8x10 proportions
Select "8x10 borderless" as media size in printer dialog box
Select "Fill Page" under "Scale to..." menu
Move "Border Width" slider to "0"
Print
I get a small border all the way around the image, the same image will print fine from PS CS3 or Lightroom.
Any ideas?
Thanks,

JB,
The trick to solving this is making an adjustment within the "Printer Settings" from the Aperture print dialogue box. This is the same place where you select paper type and print quality. In the drop down menus select "Borderless Printing." Here you can adjust the amount of extension on your borderless prints. If I have the slider all the way to the left, to "min", I get the same very slight white border all the way around the edge of my prints with either my iP8500 or iP6700D. Moving the slider one step to the right gets rid of the white border and gives me a true borderless print.
Now, the catch is I lose just a bit of the image on the bottom and top. Not much, but a a few pixels. I've learned to crop a little bit wider to accommodate. I hope this helps with your issue.

Once again: prints too dark after upgrading CS3 to CS5

Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but I haven't found a solution to my issue in the existing threads. I am most likely missing something obvious, and perhpas someone here can point it out to me.
I recently upgraded from CS3 to CS5. In both editions of photoshop I followed Eric Chan's recipe for setting up the print workflow: http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/printworkflow.html. In CS3 everything works as expected, i.e., the print matches the soft proof. Printing the same image from the same computer/monitor in CS5 produces a print that is much darker than the softproof or the CS3 print.
In case this is relevant, my psd files are all in Adobe RGB 1998, I use the Epson supplied print diver (v5.51) for the Stylus 3800. I use the icc profile for Epson's Exhibition Fiber paper, which is what I am printing on. The conversion method is Relative Calorimetric with Blackpoint Compensation checked. Photoshop runs on a 32bit Windows XP SP3 machine.
Any suggestions? Are there any settings that are not mentioned in Eric Chan's write-up that I should look at to find the source of the difference? Is there anything else that could account for the different prints?
Thank you!
Martin

Thank you for the help! Here are the screen shots. I printed the wacked image from CS3 and CS5. In CS3 everything looks right, i.e. the soft proof matches the print. In CS5 the soft proof looks the same as in CS3, but the print is dark. A photo of the printout is attached at the end.
CS3:
CS5:
Result:

J4540 "Borderless Printing Error"

I'm attempting to print a booklet, side-fold brochure. My paper size setting is Borderless 8.5X11. I've printed this brochure many times before using the exact same settings with no problems. However, when I tried to print today, I had only a black ink cartridge installed; I got an error message reading "Borderless Printing Error: Borderless printing cannot occur with only the Black Ink Cartridge installed. To print a Borderless Photo, install either a tri-color print cartridge, or a photo print cartridge."
Even though the brochure I'm printing is black & white (and it was set on "print in grayscale"), I did have a new Officejet 901 Tri-Color Ink Cartridge handy. So I installed it and received a message that the new cartridge had been detected. Then I scanned the sheet to align cartridges. The printer said something like "Installation successful". However, everytime I try to print this brochure page, I still get the same error message: "Borderless Printing Error: Borderless printing cannot occur with only the Black Ink Cartridge installed. To print a Borderless Photo, install either a tri-color print cartridge, or a photo print cartridge."
I tried re-starting, unplugging, etc., but I can't get it to print -- even though I'm using the same settings I have before. I went online and tried printing a couple of color pages and it printed them out just fine -- so the color cartridge is working. Not sure why I keep getting this message.
I'm no expert on this stuff, and any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch,
Jason

I wish I could help you, and I'm unhappy to see that you put this message up in April and have no response yet.
I too get this "cannot print" message - not that the cartridge is missing, but that I cannot do borderless printing with ONLY the black cartridge. I have the color cartridge installed, I've done prints of the same pages before, and I cannot seem to get the printer (HP Photosmart C4780 wireless) printer to work when that message comes up. I'd love to get some help from HP.
     Some things I've tried. On my iMac I shut down all applications that are not necessary, and relaunch my finder. I think that clears out its brain a little. Then I'll try to print again (It just worked - same exact page).
     Also, sometimes I open the HP Utility and ask it to print a test page. That also seems to clear it's brain. After that it worked also.
    I think there's a sometimes "glitch" in the program. Cleaning things out as much as possible, and starting over again seem to help. GOOD LUCK!

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