BPM and ccBPM

Hi,
What is the difference between BPM and ccBPM?
any idea!
tks.
VG

HI,
<i>.difference between exchangefaultData and
exchangeLogdata?</i>
>>>These are used in the FaultMessage types. These are automaticaly created when you create a namespace.
for more~
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/dd/b7623c6369f454e10000000a114084/content.htm
<i>II. What i need and necessity to create Message Tye from Data Type?</i>
>>>None.. Once you create a Data type, then you can directly create a message type.
Data Type is a unit of message whereas message type is wrapper for your data type. I.e Message type comprises the data types. SO message type is a root of xml message strcuture
For more-
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/2d/c0633c3a892251e10000000a114084/content.htm
Regards,
Moorthy

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Hi Frndz,
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Hello
BPM & CCBPM both are identical ..it's diff saying only
BPM is used to implement work-flow spanning across multiple application system against embedding the parts of work-flow in application system. Apart from this it also help achive other scenarios like, bridging synch and asynch systems, alert mechanism, multi mapping etc. Check the BPM overview document in SDN download section.
Check out the use cases discussed at http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/de/766840bf0cbf49e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
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can someone explain to me the difference between nw-bpm ("galaxy") and ccbpm (part of nw-pi):
-> what is the usage for both?
-> how are they related?
-> will ccbpm be replaced by nw-bpm some time in the future?
-> for new projects, is it still recommended to use ccbpm?
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Hello Heiko,
to make it short:
ccBPM:
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- BPEL-compliant
- no end-user involvement (--> no Human Tasks)
NetWeaver BPM:
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- standards-based (e.g. BPMN, WSDL, XSD, WS-Human Task, ...)
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BPM and ccBPM is same or different, if different then what is that difference ?
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Hi
WAS -SAP Web Application Server
WAS is an incorrect shortform for SAP WebAS. If you refer to any official documentation, SAP always mentions it as SAP WebAS only. WAS is used more for websphere application server
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/f5/81343ecc7f892ee10000000a114084/frameset.htm
WebAS form the application platform for almost all NW components and comes in different flavors as ABAP Only / ABAP + Java / Java Only.
ABAP + Java flavor is the one which forms the base of SAP XI and XI basically uses all the services offered by this application platform. refer help link for more details..
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There are still two types of server:
The WebAS, part of the Netweaver product. Currenttly it's 6.4 withing NW2004, but eraly next year it's called WebAs 7 within NW2004S.
The R/3 server, now called mySAP ERP (2005).
Since R/3 4.7EE, the base/core for R/3 and WebAs are the same. For 4.7 it's 6.2.
Purpose of SAP XI with SAP WebAS
for example Adatpers :----
All the adapters written in JAVA(EJBs) and deployed into J2EE Engine .They are JCA (Java Connector Architecture) complaint.
Goto Communication channel > Module and check Module Name.....
That module has written in EJBs and depolyed into J2EE Egine. You can see this module in Visual Administrator > Service > Deploy.
This means the WebAS is supporting this J2EE Egine.
SAP Netweaver is platform indepent means it both OS + DB independent. How it is achieving this platform indepent. That is because of WebAS.
Earlier R2 use to run on IBM Mainframs
R3 is running on Basis
Now SAP Netweaver is running on WAS. WAS in nothing but basis.
SAP Netweaver WebAS is just an extenstion of R3 BASIS
ccBPM
CCBPM is a solution providing to a kind of function and to signify little wider sense where integration extend across enterprise and application boundaries.
BPM is used to implement work-flow spanning across multiple application system against embedding the parts of work-flow in application system. Apart from this it also help achive other scenarios like, bridging synch and asynch systems, alert mechanism, multi mapping etc. Check the BPM overview document in SDN download section.
Check out the use cases discussed at http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/de/766840bf0cbf49e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
BPM is mainly used in senarios where extra functionalities are to be done with the source message which cannot be done using the normal mapping and user-defined functions, like
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-->Merging messages
-->Spliting messages
-->Processing of error files and sending to specific location and sending alerts.
-->Parallel processing of two criterias at the same time can also be done using BPM.
some weblogs on BPM...
/people/udo.martens/blog/2005/09/30/one-logical-system-name-for-serveral-bpm-acknowledgements
/people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure
/people/kannan.kailas/blog/2005/12/07/posting-multiple-idocs-with-acknowledgement
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/11/xi-how-to-retrieve-messageid-from-a-bpm
/people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
Integration Processes (ccBPM)
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/c0a1da0d-728c-2a10-62b9-f7ead58c7c00
https://sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/xi/archive-xi_ppts_internal_etc/sap%20netweaver%20rig%20webinar%20-%20cross-component%20business%20process%20management%20with%20xi%203.0.pdf
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
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If there is little to no traffic for BPM, then let's call the forum what it is, SAP Business Workflow - Or Workflow and Guided Procedures?
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> 1. Have you attended any webcasts related to SAP lately?
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> 2. Are there any topics related to Workflow and BPM that you think are
> important for the 'community'?
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> 3. Looking ahead a year, what do you see as challenges in this area?
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-yes I did - quite a few, but mostly on web related stuff and XI.
2. Are there any topics related to Workflow and BPM that you think are important for the 'community'?
- personally for me, I still find the guided procedure in Portals not so user friendly and limited. I think more education and influence around GP will be great. I think the community will also appreciate it.
3. Looking ahead a year, what do you see as challenges in this area?
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3) Challenges: Upgrades and impact on WF, Unicode and WF and having more WF ABAP OO objects delivered by SAP, other than the "Absence Notification" sample.
1.       I havenu2019t personally attended but as a company we give a webinar once a week and weu2019ve had some great attendance
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