BPM and Integration Process

Hi,
Can you please tell me if BPM in the Netweaver stack is the same as Integration Process in IR?
And what is Business Process Engine?
Thanks in advance
Siji

Hi,
I got your point. Thanks so much.
But can you explain me how it is related to workflow as provided in the document like any exaple scenario link.
And also what is process composer, process server and process desk as given in link below(like where in IR and ID)
http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/components/sapnetweaverbpm/index.epx
Thanks and regards,
Siji

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I hope this clear your doubt.
Regards.
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Thanks for the link! I read through the replies, but it still leaves a couple of basic questions unsolved:
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Message was edited by: Anand Torgal

BPM x Integration Process

Heya guys,
longe time no see.
I'd like to start a conversation on the following subject: how do you understand the difference between business processes and XI's integration processes. This idea was inspired by the recurrent confusion that some clients and some managers make about those (or maybe I'm the confused one).
In my view, integration processes are such that they shouldn't require any human intervention, and are designed with respect to systems (systems which XI access or systems that access XI). They are important mostly for the IT techs responsible for the systems integration.
On the other hand, business processes may have human intervention (aprovals, data filling etc) and are designed with respect to the key user whose action will be required in that specific step of the process. They are important for the end users which use the process in a daily basis and also for the managers and directors for analyzing purposes.
The problems begin when the users want to understand the integration process as if it was a business process. Want to check in which specific step it is at this moment (as if in Guided Procedures or Solution Manager). In my opinion integration processes shouldn't be trackable like business processes simply because it is not what they are intended for. They are similar tools for completely different applications.
I think SAP has kinda understood that since they are changing XI process naming to integration process instead of BPM. IP is not a BPM, and it shouldn't be.
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I completely agree with you Henrique. BPM deals with the integrating people also where as the integration processes doesn't. But in XI, the integration process concept is linked with BPM which is very much confusing.
Actually most of the things we do in the integration process in XI like, fork,loop, switch etc can be done without using any BPM in webMethods, TIBCO.
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For the Step Group:
You can consider it as a BPM which can be used in another BPM....concept similar to a reusable class :)....So if you have a constant patter of Receive --- transformation -
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/en/42/ef868be2753268e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
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Werner Magerl

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like mentioned by Prateek Business process management (BPM) is a vast term (not only used by SAP).
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
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Thomas

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I don't really understand your first question. You have to See a BP as an Service (end-point) which can receive messages and send messages like a normal business system/service. So message that come into the integration Engine can be transformed and routed to a BP, this message will then trigger the Business Process and the BP will do its business and will ends itself after it is done. In runtime a BP is actually SAP Workflow.
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Hello Experts,
I am following this BPM article which is very similar to what I want to do.
We are using PI 7.1 without EP1.
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Regards,
Sami.

My question is now answered.
[https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/70a25d3a-e4fa-2a10-43b5-b4169ba3eb17]
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Go through below link for apt answer.
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