BPM in NW CE compared with PI ccBPM

I am trying to understand the relative positioning of the new BPM tool in NetWeaver 7.1 CE with the existing ccBPM tool in PI.
If one uses the new BPM tool 'Process Composer' to model business processes (and assign relevant Enterprise Services etc), does this effectively replace the need for any modelling in ccBPM? Or will ccBPM still be needed? If so, can anyone give an example showing how the two tools would be used in a complementary fashion?
Thanks, Bob Austin, Atos Origin.

Bob,
ccBPM seems to be mainly oriented towards message processing. There is a a human interaction element for user decisions but the majority of the step types are related to things useful when processing messages (e.g;. for sevice orchestration.)
BPM in CE is more human oriented - besides user decision steps you can present forms and other UI elements. These steps will usually appear in an agents inbox and you can have full deadline monitoring and escalation.
They can be used together: One of the step types in CE BPM is to call a service, and this service could well be modelled on PI using ccBPM.
What does everyone else think?

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