BPM Receiver Determination

Hi
I have a interface where I need to call the Different SAP systems depending on the URL input field which I am getting from database.I have defined the BPM process as
Rec step to receive the input field
Synchronous to call the database
Send step to send the database fields to BAPI
Receiver Determination step**Do we need a receiver determination to define the condition for URL or can we define in config if we have define in BPM what properties I need to define*********
Synchronous step to call BAPI
BAPI is common in all systems so I just imported one BAPI and have done the mapping.
Thanks in Advance
Regards
Sri

Better to post it in the XI forum.
Regards, IA

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I was wondering why we need a Reciever determination step since on send step xi automatically find that there are multiple receiver and sends them accordingly to the different system as per reciever agreement.
Is it that the receiver determination is only useful for multicast which is for send and waiting for the message response from those receiver.
Kindly let me know your comments.
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Hello chinna,
You need receiver determination step becoz even though in BPM u define what are ur receivers but not what service its handling. Lets say this is the scenario :
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Is there any way to use BPM Receiver Determination step type with Synchronous send step ?
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Hey,
First, what is th purpose of your SOAP client request.
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there is a BPM,
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HI,
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HI Chandra,
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I came accross some document saying that
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Hi Gurus,
I have a 1:1 transformation step followed by a sync send step. The transformation step is executing fine. While the sync step is executing, I am getting an error says 'No receiver determination found'.
While I am executing this sync step in a separate, it is working fine.
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I think there is no need of a Receiver determination step in the BPM.
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I have a BPM process similar to Multicat BPM Pattern.
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or should I perform a Mapping step explicitly in the process?
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Yoav,
Am not sure if I understood your requirement compltely.
Case A:If you are using a send step without a Transformation Step.
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Case B:If you have a transform and then a Send
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Example is given here-
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/14/d5283fd0ca8443e10000000a114084/content.htm
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I'm still in trouble with the Receiver determination step in the BPM...
Normally, when you use the send step, it sends the message in the flow context. Am I right, when I suppose, that when you put the receiver determination step before this send step, the send step sends the message in the context of the receiver determination - that means: if in the Integration Directory, there is receiver determination (with some conditions) and these are matched with the message in the send step, the send step sends it into the receiver, that is defined for the condition and not in the flow context... Right?
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