BPM Sync

Hi,
1.What i have to do in BPM, if i want to Build a BPM Synchronous scenario.?
2.How sender is going to get response. is it thru Alerts or anything else?
3.What scnearios in realtime will use Sync. BPM?
can anybody explain me with example..
Thanks
Seshu

Hi Seshu,
1.What i have to do in BPM, if i want to Build a BPM Synchronous scenario.? 
For Sync BPM, just like normal BPM, nothing spl only thing will be your interfaces will be synchronous (I can give exact details tomorrow, as i did these things quite long back & not at the top of my mind now, but it is definetly worth a try rather than waiting till t'row, as it is simple).
 2.How sender is going to get response. is it thru Alerts or anything else? 
Definetly not as Alerts
You get the response, right at the calling place.
3.What scnearios in realtime will use Sync. BPM?
quite rarely, imagine a situation when u get msgs (sync) from your trading partners where you need to validate and reject (even before sending to Backend or even without any processing). then you use it. we used to check versions and send back.
PS : For Sync BPM, I think that u may need to opening/cosing of S/A bridge & using Abstract Sync Interfaces etc. But as said earlier you try it out or wait till tomorrow.
also check this link for little bit more info.
Re: Sych BPM scenario (RFC to SOAP)
Hope this helps
Regards
Vishnu

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In BPM sync/async Step , can you have different message schema?

Scenario:
File to XI to BPM to SOAP to RFC
In order to trigger the webservice , I use a dummy file which will be polled at a certain frequency- once in 30 minutes in Test mode - this will call the Webservice. The answer of webservice is sent to RFC Async.
so these are the Repository objects I created :
1. File Outbound Async Message Interface- Output Message (File_Request_MT)
2.File Abstract Message Interface-Output Message (File_Request_MT)
3.Async/ sync bridge Abstract interface to call the Webservice
4 Webservice Inbound Sync Message interface- with both input and output message
5.RFC Inbound Async message interface- input message (RFC_Request)
6 RFC Abstract Async Message interface-input message (RFC_Request)
BPM
a) Receive step which uses the the object 2.
b) Sync send which uses object 3
c) Send step which uses Object 5
I am using a BPM to Receive the file data/ "request " by using the File abstract message interface
Then use the the object 3 to call the webservice in BPM .
My question is on this step
Can I have for the abstract Interface(Object 3) the Request message as File_Request_MT and
response message as (RFC_Request) ?
I use a message mapping to map Input and Ouput message of Object 3 with Object 4.
Thanks for your insight

Raj,
Thanks for the feedback , but I have a question regarding your reply
Interface Objects
Object 1: File_Request_Abs
Object 2: Soap_Response_Abs
Object 3:Soap_Abs_Synch
Output Message:File_Request_Abs
Input Message:Soap_Response_Abs
Object 4:Rfc_Request_Abs
The question is about
a)SOAP_RESPONSE_ABS : could you please tell me why do we need an abstract interface -SOAP_RESPONSE_ABS?
I created a message type MT_SOAP_RESPONSE and used that in the BPM sync Send step as the Input message.
b)Soap_Abs_Synch- I am using message types
MT_File_request and MT_SOAP_Response From your reponse, it looks like you are suggesting to use
Abstract Interfaces as Output message and Input Message, am I correct? Could you please tell me whether this has advantages over using message types MT_file_request and MT_soap_reponse? I haven't used Abstract interfaces before as Input message and output message; infact, I wasn't even aware that it can be. Please confirm that it is possible. Thank you for increasing my knowledge !!!
These are the Objects I created
Message Type :
a) MT_Filerequest
b) MT_SOAPresponse
Message Interface
a)MI_Filerequest_out_async -
Output message
Mess. type MT_filerequst
b)MI_filerequest_async_abs-
Mess. type MT_filerequst
Used
i) used for BPM receiver step- container definition
ii) receiver determination
c)MI_webservice_sync_in - This is created from External definition
d)MI_webservice_sync_abs-
Input message - MT_soapresponse
Output message- MT_fierequest
Used:
i) used for BPM sync send step ,
ii)Interface mapping between MI_Webservice_sync_in and MI_webservice_sync_abs
iii)Container element-SOAP_response
e) MI_RFC_async_out
Input message
RFC_Request(This is imported from RFC definition)
g) MI_RFC_async_abs
Input message
RFC_Request(This is imported from RFC definition)
Mapping
Message mapping
i)Filerequest_TO_SOAPrequest
Source: MT_Filerequest
Target: SOAPrequest(Got from External definition)
ii)SOAPresponse_TO_BPM_response
Source : SOAPresponse(got from External definition)
Target : MT_SOAPresponse
Interface Mapping
i)IM_BPM_TO_SOAP
Source Interface : MI_webservice_sync_abs
Target :MI_webservice_sync_in
uses following message mapping
Request : filerequest_TO_SOAPrequest
Response:SOAPresponse_TO_BPM_response
BPM container element
i)Receiver_container TYPE MI_Filerequest_out_async
ii)SOAP Responsecontainer TYPE MI_webservice_sync_abs
iii)RFC_Request_container TYPE MI_RFC_async_abs
BPM flow
Receive---->Send Synch-->Transformation----->Send Asynch
Receive -
> receiver_container
Send Synch -
> receiver_container(Request Message), Soap_response_container(Response Message)
Transformation -
> Source(Soap_response_container), Target(RFC_request_container)
Send Asynch -
> RFC_request_container
Thanks for your help!!!

Error processing in non BPM sync process

I've created a sync non BPM process which is working fine. Data comes from several terminals via HTTP. My scenario is HTTP=>XI=>RFC
On the sending side, I use ABAP mapping or parser. I'm using this since I have to check some table data based on plant code and react accordingly.
However, its quite possible that this table does not contain data for a given plant code or invalid plant code in which case I need to send back an response instead of calling RFC like I would normally do.
Any idea how I can send back a message without going through RFC (receiver determination)....remember I have manipuated the RFC message in the ABAP mapping (in interface determination) and the only data I have available in receiver determination is original message which is not good.
This has gotten very tricky now. I cannot use BPM due to WF response time + added RFC time (6 secs). Using non BPM I'm down to 1 sec or so which the users are happy.
Thanks,
Very confused XI programer.

Michal, The table is in XI. Table has few different fields that are important to the interface esp. The R3 system to call. Based on the plant code, we decide which SAP system to send data to. And in XI, we store this info...ex: PIP3 plant goes to AI0 system. The terminals where is information is generated does not have this sophistication.
How would you accomplish this HTTP=>XI=>RFC non BPM sync process. BPM adds too much time and the users don't wait that long in today process which will be replaced by XI. Non BPM yields 1 sec which is what they want. Thousands of messages flow and they cannot wait that long.
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BPM sync to jdbc produces No receiver could be determined

Hi,
I am sending a sync select statement from BPM to JDBC adapter but I get the following error: No receiver could be determined.
I checked in MONI and I can see the select statement, even the response but I get this error. I looked at the graphical workflow log and every step "executes successfuly" but in the XML messages list I have 3 messages, 2 with the successful flag and one with a red flag, the red flag displays this error.
Since both interfaces, the BPM abtract interface and the inbound interface for the JDBC adapter are BOTH SYNC, shouldn the response message arrive back at the BPM automatically ? or must I define another reciever determination ?
Cheers.

Hi,
How have you used the send step? In this case it should be used with sync mode.
Selcet the mode property of "send" step as synchronous. Then you will have to give two message types one for request and the other for response.
After this send step you can have a normal send step and you can use this to send response wherever you need.
Regards,
P.Venkat

Async system - XI BPM Sync - Web service - SOAP response

Dear Experts:
I have the following scenario:
Async Proxy to XI to web service. I use BPM to make this a sync call to the web service. It works fine!
I have a XSLT mapping for the response message from the web service. I use XSLT because the structure of the positive and fault responses are different. Anyway, I could get the positive response post ok back in the XI system.
But the fault response does not get mapped and I get a APPLICATION_ERROR of category UNKNOWN in the SXMB_MONI. I also configured exception handling in the BPM. But it does not catch this error.
Can anyone suggest how to handle the fault response from the web service?
Thank you.

I just had the same problem and solved it like this: I modified the WSDL slightly by removing the prefix from the reference to the element of the response message, as well as the "targetNamespace" in the xsd:schema segment of the WSDL. Like this, SAP is able to parse the response.
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Hi Experts,
BPM Scenario: Step wise
1. Receive-1 from one sender
2. Send-1 it syncu2019ly to SAP using proxy and receive the response msg
3. N: 1 transformation b/w request message and response message to generate a target message
4. Send-2 the target message to a receiver
Though the scenario seems to be simple, I have a doubt about the sync send step.
How does the sync send step works in detail?
For every message the Receive-1 receives, a new process instance will be generated. When the message is sent to SAP syncu2019ly, how does it relate the response to the particular process instance?
For example, if 2 BPM process instances are created for two messages the Receive-1 step receives. However say, the second message is relatively less in size; in-turn consumes less time to execute in SAP and reaches XI well before the response for first message.
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Thanks, Udo! With your reply I heave that itching thought.
I would happy to read more about this sync-session logic.
Can you please provide more information/ blog/ material for detailed info?
P.S. pts added to you!
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Karthik

Dynamic Receiver Determination [W/O using BPM] Sync interface

I have been exploring options w.r.t. performance sensitive service interface.
This has following issues :
1. Gets a org code looking up instance and route the msg. accordingly to an RFC and get response back.
2. Prominent answer would be Enhanced receiver determination step but that doesnt work in sync case.
3. Classic Receiver Determination needs the condition to be evaluated in source msg. which is not going to happen.
4. Use BPM i designed one but performance its not all acceptable it has a round trip of 10Sec.
are there any ways to overcome this ?

Hi Bujji,
can you explain the point 1.
1. Gets a org code looking up instance and route the msg. accordingly to an RFC and get response back.
Thanks and Regards,
Himadri
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BPM Sync Interface

Hi friends,
In my current interface, i am using BPM and in that i am sending sync request to Proxy, when the proxy takes more time i.e. more than 3 mins, i am getting timeout error in xi monitoring. Because the default timeout parameter was 3 mins. Now i changed all the default parameters to 5 mins. Even now, i am getting the same timeout error.
My current BPM design,
Start - Receive - Transformation - Sync Send - Transformation - Send - End.
Please suggest me, whether we can have any wait step to wait for specified minute after the Sync send step. If we add that wait step, will there be any performance issue?
Please suggest me.
Regards
Bala

In a Sync step the Request and Response happen in the same call
Now in Async flow you make a request (using the same Req Message that you are using in the Sync Request Message section).
Then have Async Receive step (with a correlation defined).
Disadvantage:
1) In this case you need to have a field for correlation
2) Call has to be made Async on the receiving system also....so config may change at target end...
Advantage:
No need to worry about the time taken to receive the Response .... however it is always better to introduce some alert mechanism if the response is not received within some desired timeframe ... this behavior is shown in the BPM designs present under: IR -> SAP BASIS> http://sap.com/xi/XI/System/Patterns --> BpmPatternReqRespAlert
Regards,
Abhishek.

BPM Sync Interface - Help

My current scenario is File to Proxy Sync
From the sender side, two files are coming, so that i am using BPM in my interface.
My current BPM Steps
Inside the fork, i have give 2 receive stps.
Receive 1 - Receiving First file
Receive 2 - Receiving second file
Transformation - Mapping - Merging 2 files
Send Step - Sending data to Proxy.
By using the above steps, my scenario is working fine without any response from the proxy.
Now, my proxy is giving response back, i need to receive the response and send the response to a file.
Experts pls advise me, how to handle this within BPM?
Thanks in advance..
Regards,
Mani.

Hi Abhishek,
I was getting error in coorelation, now it is fine and i have completed the bpm steps as you recommended and did the checking in the IR, no error was displayed. Now I am doing ID configuration.
I have given the steps in ID that i have created, Pls correct me, if i am wrong.
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Receiver Agreement
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Interface Determination
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after this point, i got bit confused in creating interface determination. How many interface determination and receiver determination we need to create, since we are using two transformation and two send step in the BPM.
Pls advise me in this.
Regards
Mani...

BPM Sync/Async Scenario: error: "Timeout condition of pipeline reached"..!

Hi,
I am doing Sync/Async BPM scenario.
-> Receive message and process and response back to the sender.
Sometimes it will correct correctly. Sometime the message will come and stay in XI and fails with error
<SAP:Error xmlns:SAP="http://sap.com/xi/XI/Message/30" xmlns:SOAP="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" SOAP:mustUnderstand="1">
<SAP:Category>XIServer</SAP:Category>
<SAP:Code area="INTERNAL">PL_TIMEOUT</SAP:Code>
<SAP:P1 />
<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace="" />
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<SAP:Retry>N</SAP:Retry>
</SAP:Error>
I observed that the messages will stay in transaction "SXMS_SAMON" . and will fail after sometime.
What might be the reason. ? what need to do to stop these kind of errors?
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Deepthi.

Hi Praveen,
Webservice <--> XI -->BW .
BPM :
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Messages are getting struck in SMQ1 and SM58 at these three points.
1. Message comes and stays in SXMB_MONI in status "Log Version"
The messages are stuck in SMQ1 in READY status without doing any processing.
XBQO$PE_WS90100002 WORKFLOW_LOCAL_100 1 READY 26.02.2009
Once I push the queue by Activating/Unlocking, it will process.
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Manually I execute LUW to push it. Once I done the message will go to R/3 system and Response mapping also complete.
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we are again manually execute LUW. Once we done the response message will go back to Sender.
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BPM Sync/Async Problem

I am trying to setup the sync/Async bridge.Scenario is below.
Receive (Open Sync/Async Bridge) --> Send Async > Receive Async> Send (Close sync/Async)
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Sync Interface to post message to BPM (OutBound)
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Async Abstract Interface for Response Message used by Container.
Async Inbound Interface to receive message sent by BPM in Async Send Process.
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>

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 <SAP:P1/>
 <SAP:P2/>
 <SAP:P3/>
 <SAP:P4/>
 <SAP:AdditionalText/>
 <SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace=""/>
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</SAP:Error>
Any pointers will be great help!
Thanks,
Samir

Hi Samir
As you are trying Sync/Async BPM scenario and having a webservice as your sender,go through this link as it is quite similar to your scenario--
https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/weblogs.sdn?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
If you still face error then post it in forum.
Regards
Arpit Seth

BPM Sync/Async Bridge

Hi,
I am trying to build a Async/Sync Bridge in BPM. However the difference is that I need the response to be sent to a different third party to the one which sent it.
The complete scenario is as follows: A third party sends an XML file - this is picked up with the file adapter. PI then does the appropriate mapping and calls a BAPI on ECC. The response is then sent back to PI and sent to a different third parties WebService.
I have followed the document "Demonstrating How to Use Async/Sync Bridge in BPM" by Leela Ratna Morampudi.
Sending the response back to the original sender is straight forward engough. However Im not sure how to send it back to a different third party? Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated
Also, Is it possible to build this scenario using a JMS Async/Sync bridge and avoid using a BPM?
Rg,
Krishneel

Hi Swarup,
Thanks for your posts.
I have built everything, however I'm facing some problems with the RFC receiver. In the communication channel monitor I see this error:
Message processing failed. Cause: com.sap.engine.interfaces.messaging.api.exception.MessagingException: com.sap.aii.adapter.rfc.afcommunication.RfcAFWException: error while processing message to remote system:com.sap.aii.adapter.rfc.core.client.RfcClientException: could not get functionname from XML requst: com.sap.aii.adapter.rfc.RfcAdapterException: failed to read funtionname from XML document: missing namespace declaration(2)
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I have already tried reimporting the BAPI and refreshing the caches without any luck.
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ASYNC - BPM - SYNC

Hi,
I am trying to send a SELECT message to a JDBC adapter.
SEND
mode: SYNCHRONOUS
Synchronous Interface: mis_select
Request Message: select_req
ResponseMessage: select_res
mis_select is a Synchronous Abstract Inteface
select_req -> mi_select_req is a asynchronous abstract interface
select_res -> mi_select_res is a asynchronous abstract interface
When I try to activate my integration process I get the following error:
Message to be sent select_req and synchronous interface mis_select are not of the same type.
And the same for the response mesage.
I have looked at the message types in both interfaces and they are the same type as the synchronous interface.
Anyone knows what this error is about ?

Hi Hans,
I have a similar JDBC receiver step in one of my ccBPMs.
I think there's a possibility that your Synchronous Abstract Interface is defined backwards. i.e. The request is the response and the response is the request.
From what I see, the "Output message" (in sync.Abs.Interface properties) should be the select (called request message in BPM step properties) and the "Input message" should be the response (called response message in BPM step properties).
Best Regards,
Ofer

BPM Sync log

Hi All,
I am using XI 3.0 (sp 11), The scenario involves making Sync SOAP call to the client's web service as below,
Request-
SAP R/3 (Idoc)-->XI (Idoc mapped to xCBL in SOAP envelope) using BPM sends the information( via the SOAP Receiver Adapter ) making a synchronous call --> to SAP Business Connect (BC) web service address at the client side
Response -
SAP BC Sends Technical Acknowledgement (TA) --> XI, using the same synchronous session.
I can send the request message to the client successfully and it sends the technical ack response back but I can't see the response in XI anywhere. The client suggested to enable the logging to see the response and I enabled couple of runtime logs, particularly loging and tracing, still no luck.
Any suggestion what logging parameters should I enable to find the ack coming back to the BPM from the web service pls.
TIA.
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If you want the response to be visible in sxmb_moni, you will have to increase the trace level. An other and better option is to use the BPM monitor.
1. Make a selection so the BPMs in question is displayed.
2. In the Workflow log, you can click on the branch the parent level for the send step.
3. Select the "Available Objects" tab.
4. Expand the "Process Objects" folder
You wil find your response object in this list. If you press on the display details button, sxmb_moni will start with only this message selected.
Hope it helps,
Bjørn Espen

BPM - sync response

Guys,
In my BPM i have one sync rfc send.
For example:
BPM: async soap -> sync rfc -> async jdbc.
Where can i to see the payload from sync rfc response?
sxmb_moni - i dont found the payload.
communication channel monitoring - i too dont found the payload.
Then, where can i to see?

hi,
I think your file not reach the xi.
If sender side you are using SOAP(HTTP protocal) you cant see the message in sender communication.
It will directly put the file into integration engine.using TCP gateway you will get the file which you passed.
Like bellow ,
HTTP protocal-TCPgw--XIserver.
*Reward Ponis If Helpful*
Regards,
Prakasu

"No Receiver Determined" in BPM Sync RFC Call

My scenario is xml file -> XI BPM -> RFC1 -> RFC2 (will call RFC2 if RFC1 is successful).
I am still just trying to get the RFC1 call working properly. I have been using blogs 1822, 1403 and 1926. I have also used some related BPM threads. It seems to be making the RFC call properly, but failing on the response.
<SAP:Code area="RCVR_DETERMINATION">NO_RECEIVER_CASE_BE
<SAP:P1 />
<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace="" />
<SAP:Stack>No receiver could be determined</SAP:Stack>
These docs show my IB Repository and Directory setups. Can anyone look at them and tell me what is missing? Thanks in advance!
http://webpages.charter.net/kpwendel2/bsmDir.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/kpwendel2/bsmRep.jpg

Keith,
the problem is quite clear.
In your BPM, you have a synchronous interface in your sync send step.
However, in configuration, you have configured two asynchronous interfaces.
To be able to use sync send step in BPM, your RFC needs to be able to send a response back. Then you need to have two message mappings (one for bpm->rfc messages, and other for rfc_response -> bpm_response messages) and a interface mapping between the 2 sync interfaces (bpm_sync_int -> rfc_sync_int) using these 2 message mappings.
Also, some hints:
1. Don't do these mappings in BPM transformation step. You can execute them outside of BPM. Doing this, you will get better performance and also won't need to create abstract interfaces for RFC messages.
2. Use configuration wizard in Integration Directory (first, remove and reimport your BPM in Integration Directory). This way, you avoid different interfaces errors.
Regards,
Henrique.

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