BPM - Synch Asynch Process

My Scenario is File to File and also SOAP thru BPM for File Split. I have to do BPM for file split because of the timing dependency of delivery of files.
Here are the steps in Integration process:
1. Receive File from Sender A
2. Transform this file into multiple files ( In this transformation step Iam capturing Source File Name into separate message )
3. Send all files to the Receiver
4. Send Synchronously SOAP call to the Receiver and receive response message
5. String 'FileName' captured in Step2
and response message from Step4 to another message
6. Send the message from step 5 to the Sender A ( Original Sender )
My Question is Do I have to save the filename in Step2 as a message? Can I do it using Simple type in integration process, if yes, how can I do that.
Someone please explain?. Thanks

Hi,
Save the file name as a message. Anyway you need to send the file name in message right ? And if you want to use it, then use Mapping for the same
For container Operation, refer this-
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/59/e1283f2bbad036e10000000a114084/content.htm
Regards,
Moorthy

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SDNers,
I have a scenario where a synchronous SOAP HTTP message will come in with data. Following steps are needed.
1) Call a stored procedure to authenticate on a DB2 database. Possible JDBC adapter.
1a) If authentication fails need to respond with error code in the SOAP-MSG and end.
2) Call another stored procedure to post the data to temporary table and get back a unique ID.
3) Return the response and unique ID to the SOAP-MSG.
Can you please let me know -
a) If I will need to create a BPM for this scenario. If not how ?
b) If BPM is needed - will I need a Synch-Asynch bridge although I have all synchronous communication throughout the process. All the stored procedures to DB2 database are intended to be synchronous JDBC receivers.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Charu

Thanks Sandro, Sudheer, Shweta and Venkat for your inputs.
It certainly looks like there is no way other than BPM even though I have synchronous scenarios - espacially because of the authentication step.
In case some of you are wondering why is not the authentication step and the subsequent step merged -The authentication are maintained in a separate system and hence a separate call is needed.
Venkat - I will check out on the Synch/Asynch bridge.
All - you have more inputs then please share your views.

Http_synch-- file using synch/asynch bridge

I am trying to do the following scenario with bpm ( synch/asynch bridge)
Scenario:
1. Http client calls BPM synchronously (open the S/A bridge).
2. BPM sends the received message to file adapter.
3. Another process reads the files and produces an output file (or I can do this manually).
4. The output file is sent back to BPM.
5. BPM returns the output message back to http synch (closes S/A bridge)
Integration Process Design :
1. Receive Synch (open the S/A bridge)
2. Send Asynch
3. Receive Asynch
4. Send Synch (close the S/A bridge)
When I call the BPM from the http client (QOS is BE or EO) , BPM receives the message and writes the file (so step1 and step 2 are okay). Then http client comes back with no response. That means BPM is not waiting for a message at step 3.
My understanding is BPM should wait on a receive step!
Even if I introduce a wait step after step 2, it doesn't help.
Why does the http client return before the s/a bridge is closed? Am I missing anything?
Please help.
Thanks

Hi,
>1. Receive Synch (open the S/A bridge)
This will again be a receive step with mode as opens S?A bridge.
>Send Synch (close the S/A bridge)
This is a Send Step with mode CLOSES S/A BRIDGE it will not be a Synch step.

My understanding is BPM should wait on a receive step!
it should. Make sure that the file adapter is active. And see if the file has been picked up. Did you check the flow of the message in the BPE? Did the receive step get executed? I think it would have and the problem can be in the mapping.
Just take a look at the Synch - Asynch bridge example in this link,
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/83/d2a84028c9e469e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
Regards,
Bhavesh

Synch-asynch scenario without bpm's?

Synch-asynch scenario without bpmu2019s can any one help me how to configure this scenario without bpms?

hi ferocious,
That is possible with standard functions and standard module beans.
Possiable1:
From pi 7.1 v , sap provided standard functions like RFC and jdbc of the conversion function group.
Possiable2:
sap provided Standard module beans those are RequestResopnceBean and OnewayResponceBean.
thanks,
bhavanisankar.

To create an asynch - synch - asynch flow with XI, without BPM

I would like to create an asynch -> synch -> asynch flow with XI,
without BPM.
The solution with RequestResponseBean and ResponseOnewayBean modules in
the File sender communication channel works fine.
But now I would ask you how can I do if my sender is R/3, with IDocs?
Because we cannot use modules in the IDoc sender communication channel,
and I don't want to use BPM.
Could you help me?
Thanks in advance,
Ram.

/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
Refer to this blog. You may find a way out.
Alternatively, I would rather know the reason behind you not using BPM.Coz its the best way to acheive the desired result.

Synch|/asynch bpel process

Hi!
what is thу main difference between synchronous and asynchronous bpel process? I mean, when you create bpel process - you can choice type. Because I dont think that the difference just in invoke and reply activities.
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kpb

There are other differences too, as in how the processes are dehydrated.
If you are writing processes for a high load environment you should look at the BPEL tuning guides before just creating a bunch of asynch processes. Generally, the asynch processes will be hitting the dehydration store harder.

Synch/Asynch Bridge

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me where exactly Synch/Asynch Bridge is used
Thanx,
krishna

Hi,
Sync/async communication enables a synchronous sender system to communicate with a receiver system that cannot process synchronous messages
Refer this blog
/people/ravikumar.allampallam/blog/2005/02/17/bridging-the-sync-async-bridge-with-fork-xi
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi
There is an example of the Sync/Async Bridge in th SWCV: SAP BASIS.
Namespace: http://sap.com/xi/XI/System/Patterns
The Integration Server receives synchronous messages from a sender and send them to a receiver as asynchronous messages. Conversely, it can send the asynchronous response from the receiver back to the sender as a synchronous response.
As soon as a synchronous message is received from the sender system the process uses a special receive step to open the sync/async bridge, sends the received message to the receiver system asynchronously, and waits for the asynchronous response to arrive from the receiver.
The BPE receives the asynchronous response from the receiver, correlates it with the corresponding query, and activates the waiting process, which then sends the response back to the sender synchronously.
This blog also should give you some idea...
https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/weblogs.sdn?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
Also go through these links:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/83/d2a84028c9e469e10000000a1550b0/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/c4/dc06418752ef6fe10000000a1550b0/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/f9/66bf40ad090366e10000000a1550b0/RN_XI_DE_neu.pdf
example of the Sync/Async Bridge in th SWCV: SAP BASIS.
Namespace: http://sap.com/xi/XI/System/Patterns
regards
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Vijaya Lakshmi MV

MESSAGE_NOT_USED - ERR in BPM multi mapping process

Hi Guys,
Can any solve this issue please,
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
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<SAP:P1 />
<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
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</SAP:Error>
I have gone through all kind of prilimanary changes like
removed IP, reimported to ID
deleted IP and I did again from scrach (BPM)
no errors in BPM, activated, SXI_cache : Process return code shows 0, cache activated several times, server bounced.
Please your valuable inputs for this!!
Thanks
San

San,
A similar issue has been resolved here ... give it a try -
BPE_ADAPTER:MESSAGE_NOT_USED
When you double-click on Integration Process, you will get an option for Repeat Activation on the right-hand side header.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Neetesh

BPM 11g support process archive

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You can do all the above using APIs also as far as you have Withdraw action going to the End Node.
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Can BPM visualize business process at runtime?

I am new to BPM. I am wondering if it can visualize the business process at run time so that the user knows what is going on. A use case would be in a document approval process, where a document needs to be approved by multiple people in different phases. The user would like to know the current approval status and who is the next approver, etc in a visualized graph.
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Hi tiwang,
Are u looking for the Flow. i mean let us Consider Leave Approving Flow.
You have a Initiator who Applies the Leave and this Task goes to his manager and the Manager will Complete the Task and the Task is routed to next level manager.
And you would like to see the same BPM flow pictorial in the BPM work list is it wat ur looking for. If yes we can See the flow in BPM workSpace or even BPM worklist.
Process: Once u Complete the Flow You will try to Test Webservice with Some Sample Values. Then after testing under Response click on Launch Flow Trace.
Then we will get the Popup with Flow trace. Then Click the Component then we will get the BPMN Process instance with three tabs
1) Shows the Audit Trail: Like u can see the Complete Payload of each and every Activity what it received and wat it gave the Output.
2) Flow: Visulaize the Flow
3) Faults: All the Exceptions which occur
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Synch/Asynch Bridge TimeOut

Hi,
I am sending data to R/3 system through XI and waiting for response. If the R/3 takes half an hour to respond will my Synch/Asynch bridge will be still waiting for the response or will it die because of TIME_OUT.
Can anyone let me know.
Regards,
Amar Nemalikanti

Hi,
There is a Time Out for the Sync/Async Communication.
The settings can be done SXMB_ADM -> Integration Engine Config -> Change Specific Config -> Add a new entry
Check the Category SA_COMM, see the help for its parameters.
By default the time out setting is 60 seconds and the maximum allowed is 1000 seconds.
Thanks & Regards,
Renjith.

Issues with CAL Free Solution - SAP BPM and Operational Process Intelligence on SAP HANA [developer edition]

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Synch/Asynch with out BPM

Hi All,
I have a HTTP to webservice scenario currently running in production , i.e .,
From the HTTP Application user sends a request to XI . XI makes a SOAP call and sends the request back to HTTP Application .
now I have a new requirement to write the SOAP request message to a JMS channel also.
Let me know how is it achievable with out using BPM .
Thanks and Regards,
KLK

Thanks for the replies , I have to clarify my question
Yes my requirement is to send the soap - response to JMS .
The above blog is File - RFC - File ( Asyn/sync) but my requirement is
HTTP - SOAP -- JMS (Syn/Asynch) .
The current scenario in production my o/b and i/b message interface are synchronus .
I need a i/b asynch interface reciepent for the SOAP response .
Let me know your thoughts
Thanks
KLK

BPM Synch Exception

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I have requirement where I need to send messages to multiple receivers and capture reponse back synchronously in BPM. Suppouse when I send a message to a receiver which is down I am getting Request Time Out Exception in BPM. Send Synch is inside Block. Can it process rest of the messages or not. Is there any way where can I catch Exception cases and process rest of the messages sucessfully. Appreciate for your response.
Thanks,
Rao.Mallikarjuna

I'm not sure Block in (par)foreach mode is the best option for multiple synchronous calls.
Anyway, you can always add a exception branch within your block and catch the exception from the send step. If you just want the next steps to continue, you can just do nothing in the exception branch (or maybe log an error message).
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Henrique.

BPM :: Messages not processed at outbound side

Hi Experts,
We have 1000+ synchronous messages with BPM for only two days in July which havent processed fully. Now oncoming messages are getting processed fine, but the messages which were waiting for outbound processing from July are still waiting.
inbound side there is a success flag and outbound side it is showing a clock symbol(looks like scenario is collecting / waiting)... cant see any failed/waiting messages iin queues .. when I checked the workflow logs few are showing workflow manually edited and processed after exception.
The date messages were triggered are 10/Jun and seems one or more messages were edited on 17/jun later.
Now we would like to know which workflow thrown the exception and what they have done during manual operation.
And how to process the remaining holding messages.
Thanks in advance for you ideas and suggestions.

Hi,
As you pointed out in your post that
"inbound side there is a success flag and outbound side it is showing a clock symbol(looks like scenario is collecting / waiting)... "
Now you have not explained your scenario completely. Still from the problem statement I can say that The BPM is waiting for some messages. There are three possible scenarios where you can see the clock symbol.
You have the option of collecting multiple messages for an interface and bundling them into one message, for example, individual sales order items into one sales order. To do so, you need to define a receiver step within a loop. The loop can finish in a variety of ways.
Payload-Dependent => The loop finishes when the number of messages received matches the number specified in the payload of the messages.
Time-Dependent => The loop finishes at a specified point in time.
Message-Dependent => The loop finishes when a specific message is received.
Once all the messages have been received, a transformation step bundles the messages collected in the container element and from them creates a message in the container element .This message is then sent by a subsequent send step.
The processes use one of the abstract interfaces as an inbound interface, and the other as an outbound interface.
Your BPM cannot be time dependant, otherwise it would have completed processing by now.
Either your BPM is message dependant or payload dependant. You need to find this out.
Check out the correlation (if) used in BPM, and the condition in BPM which stops the message collection.
Plesae check SXMB_MONI and study the messages which have been succesfully processed by the BPM, so if your BPM is message dependant you have to find out what message it needs to stop collecting the message, this you can do by studying the successful message processed by the BPM. In this case your BPM will contain a FORK step. In one branch of FORK step there will be a receive step, this is the step where you can find the message required to complete waiting stage of the BPM.
Check if this message has arrived or not.
If your BPM is Payload dependant, find out whether number of messages received by the BPM matches the expected count or not. In this case the BPM must have a container operation to count the messages received. If the count is less than required value, the BPM will remain in waiting state.
regards
Anupam

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