BREAK IN ADVANCED PULLDOWN CADENCE (PATTERN) FOUND NEAR T.

Yep, I'm trying to do the pulldown and it says this:
BREAK IN ADVANCED PULLDOWN CADENCE (PATTERN) FOUND NEAR T.
or this
FRAMES IN FILE SATRTING NEAR T ARE NOT ENCODED AT 24 P.
What should I do? Thanks

We had a shoot once, where the camera we had rented (also a DVX-100B) had its scene files edited by the previous user and were not defaulted to the factory settings by the rental shop. Not to blame them, WE should have checked. But we didn't and when choosing Scene File 6 (Cine-like 24PA) it was actually only shooting in 24P. Needless to say in a 24P or 24PA DV workflow, due diligence is required, but not easy to maintain.
But Zeb is right to ask which you shot it in. 24P (in the DVX-100B) is actually 29.97 in reality. You capture and edit in 29.97.
If you take a look at the captured 29.97 footage does it look ok? Or is it a little jumpy here and there and lack the smoothness it had when you shot it? (Hopefully you were able to review a bit of it in the Camera to make sure things were ok?)
And, what happens when you try to capture using the Advanced Pulldown removal option, where FCP removes the Pulldown on capture/import?

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