Break Points for Dual Layer Discs

I've read and re-read the DVDSP4 manual on break-points. They are giving me the hardest time even still. Is there any way to by-pass the muxing process and not have to wait that long to find out if there is the correct balance of space used for each layer on the disc? IOW, is there a way to automatically check if the layers are right without choosing the "auto break point" option?

Hi Drew, when you say set a bunch of markers in the general area, what types of markers are you talking about (ie. chapter, button, dual layer break point)? I can only set one "dual layer break point", should i be able to set more than one? I'm working on this dual layer project and it is driving me nuts!

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Problems with break point in Dual Layer project

Hi,
I'm currently having a problem setting a break point in a Dual Layer DVD project in DVD Studio Pro 4. I have a project that has 5.9 GB of data (5 shows with between 7-8 chapters in each). The problem I'm having is that in the 5th chapter of the 4th show, there is a freeze frame hickup when I burn the disk. I've tried moving around the chapter mark, deleting them and re-adding them, re-exporting the media (it is in MPEG-2) in all combinations of those and am still having the freeze problem at that chapter mark. I've gone back to the original media and there are no problems there.
What I think the problem is is that the disk is automatically setting the break point for the dual layer disk at that chapter mark. However, when I go into the project and try to set the break point manually from the dropdown, I can't seem to select anything. The default is the begining of the 5th track, and I can only change it to automatic and back again. Anything else I select just goes back to that 5th track, but I still think it's actually doing automatic instead. I'm using a Verbatim DVD+R DL if that helps anything as well.
To all, do you agree that the problem is most likely due to the break point? And if so, how do I change the break point to the beginning of either the 3rd or 4th of the shows instead of having it seem to be stuck on automatic?
Thanks in advance,
Chris

Alright, to answer my own question. Here's what I think the problem was.
There are actually two Disk/Volume menus: one in the Disk settings when you're actually working in the project and another when you go to build and format. I kept trying to set the break point in the first one--in the disk settings in the project--and it wouldn't let me because it can only be set when building and formatting.
It's kind of an annoying settup that there are two identical menus that don't fully communicate with each other, but in the end the solution has been solved.
Chris

Compressing for dual layer-discs?

I have a series of self-contained QT files that I want to compress as .m2v files in Compressor 3 to be brought into DVDSP 4. The DVD will eventually be burned to a dual-layer disc that I want to get as much content as possible on.
1. Since I will be burning to a dual-layer disc, are there any settings that I should make in Compressor to accomodate for this? OR is the fact that they will be placed on a dual-layer disc not relevant to Compressor?
Thanks.

I don't think it matters related to the settings you use in Compressor.

I am trying to enter a split point for a file going on a dual layer disc. There are chapter markers in the file but the automtic function doesn't see them. Can I insert a point for the layer split in DVD Studio Pro 3 or 4? It doesn't appear that the autom

I am trying to enter a split point for a file going on a dual layer disc. There are chapter markers in the file but auto function does not see them. Went back and put a small split in the timeline in fcp and exported to mpeg 2 again and auto function does not see that either? Manual msays to manualy enter split poind in DVDSP but can't find any way to enter that split point in DVDSP? How can I manualy enter a split point in DVDSP 3 or 4?
Elizabeth/Roger Cook Films

This is definitely not the behavior I see. When I left click it adds a marker,
When I right click, I see the following
Do you have any OS hacks installed on your computer or have you changed the mouse behavior in system preferences: mouse? If not, I'd suggest you run digital rebellions preference manager and reset your dvdsp preferences.
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2491

How to manually create layer breaking point for DVD9

Hello, I was wondering if someone could please tell me how I would go about to manually set the layer break point for a DVD9 project that I burned onto 2 DLT tapes. The total size of the DVD is 6.3GB.
I had used the "automatic" setting for burning the DLTs and sent them to a replicator. They came back saying that the layer 0 tape did not allow enough headroom for their Ripguard protection.
I've always used the automatic setting and this is the first time I am asked to manually set it. SO now I need to figure out how I can put a certain amount of data on one DLT tape and the rest on the other DLT.
I am a beginner at this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Hi Eric,
Unfortunately the information you have regarding RipGuard and the ability to copy RipGuard protected discs is a little outdated.
Can RipGuard be broken? Yes, anything can be broken into, including the DoD Website by 14 yr old chinese students... but that doesn't mean there isn't value in protecting the DVD.
Also, RipGuard is regularly updated, just like Antivirus software, so while older versions of RipGuard can be broken more easily, the latest versions of RipGuard are significantly more difficult to circumvent by existing software.
But again, the point isn't to create the unbreakable 'holy grail' DVD copy protection, but rather to protect something of value.
When you leave your house in the morning, do you close your front door and lock it? Of course you do, but why? So no one will break in. But do you think locking up your house is really going to stop someone from going around to the side of the house and busting out a window if they really want to get in? Of course it wont. If someone wants to break into your house, they will find a way.
Same thing with DVDs. You lock your house because it provides a method of protection, a barrier to make it more difficult and to keep honest people honest. That's what RipGuard, or any copy protection software does.
So the question isn't why would you protect your DVD, but rather why wouldn't you? In most cases if you prevent just a few illegal copies of your DVD from being ripped, it has already more than paid for itself.

Single VS. Dual Layer discs

1. How common are home DVD players and mac/pc players that have the
ability to read dual-layer discs?
2. What other reasons, if any, would you not want to use a dual layer disc?
Thanks.

1. How common are home DVD players and mac/pc players that have the
ability to read dual-layer discs?
Alot more common than they were in the past, and most standalone players are able to read DL. FWIW, this really applies for disc from your computer and not replicated discs.
2. What other reasons, if any, would you not want to use a dual layer disc?
More costly than single layer. Also you need to make sure to author properly for layer breaks. The selection of single vs dual really should revolve around the size of your project (based on running time) and not the media itself. Most 2 hour or less projects (maybe even longer) should fit on a single layer fairly well with no major quality hit. Of course it varies based on the footage etc.
For the most part DVD-R are better for single layer DVD+R for DL.

Reading from a Dual-Layer Disc

Hey y'all --
I am trying to rip some video files from the VIDEO_TS folder of a dual-layered DVD-Video (I have rights to the material) using OSEX, DVDBackup, Mac the Ripper, MPEG Streamclip, and just drag-and-drop.
None of these solutions are allowing me to copy the entire dataset from the DVD-Video onto my hard drive. At best, DVDBackup copies what appears to be the first layer, but the second layer won't copy over -- I get error messages from each app, and the OS itself.
The DVDs play just dandy through DVD Player, and on set-top. There is no copy-protection or region coding on this disc. The data's all there, but I just can't seem to copy layer 2.
My DVD drive is a Pioneer DVR-108, which can read/write DVD+R DL, and I've written/read DL discs with this drive in the past.
If there's anyone who has any experience they could share -- that would be so unbelievably wonderful. Why would a dual-layer disc not be just as easy to copy from? Thanks, as always, for your help.
Best -- Jerome
Dual 1.25GHz G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Should be no issue at all unless the DVD is damaged.
Try using Toast to copy the files to your HD (or Retrospect) and/or try a different DVD drive, sometimes different drives may perform better on bad discs (FWIW none of these will work if there is some copy protection on the discs, it is just something to get files off a disk that could be damaged.)

IDVD will not burn dual layer disc correctly.

I have an iMac9,1 Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz with 8 gigs of ram, with a OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5670S DVD-writable to -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW. It will not spit out a properly formated disc from IDVD. I get the "Supported disc not available" message, even though I have encoded it for dual layer in NTSC.
Has anyone ever experience problems with this? If so, what did you do to resolve it? I've burned through a half a dozen dual layer disc and these are still not supercheap.
TommyBoye

Yes I called and my warranty was up so the nerd on the other end tried to sell me the applecare protection program. I guess my next step is to go to an apple store, but as the person that replied last in that discussion said time is an issue. I guess my biggest problem with this whole thing is that it is obviously the update that messed up all of these superdrives, so warranty shouldn't be an issue. Apple even removed the download link: http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070716082804520&query=superdrive

Why does the file size change when put into an iDVD project? And problems with dual layer discs...

I exported a short video of mine from Final Cut Express and the size of the file came out to 7.3 GB. When I put it into an iDVD project, it says that the file is only 800 MB. I tried just burning it onto a dual layer disc anyway to see if it might still burn at the original file size, but the disc came out unusable for some reason, and obviously hadn't been burned anywhere near full-capacity. So, I tried it again, and the exact same thing happened.
I guess my first question is: why is iDVD changing the size of the file? I want the quality to be the best it can be, so keeping it at 7.3 GB as opposed to 800 MB is rather important.
Secondly, why did the dual layer discs come out unusable? I've burned single layer discs before and they haven't been an issue. Also, I know for a fact that the drive can burn dual layer discs, so that isn't the issue.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can provide me with help on this issue.

LivelyJamesS wrote:
I exported a short video of mine from Final Cut Express and the size of the file came out to 7.3 GB. When I put it into an iDVD project, it says that the file is only 800 MB.
Guessing here but it looks like you edited/exported an SD/DV sequence of about 30 min in FCE. DVD needs to be MPEG-2 so iDVD compresses the original file down to the size that you report.
LivelyJamesS wrote:
I guess my first question is: why is iDVD changing the size of the file? I want the quality to be the best it can be, so keeping it at 7.3 GB as opposed to 800 MB is rather important.
The quality will be what the MPEG-2 compression and the software allow for. MPEG-2 is DVD standard .... there's no way around that.
LivelyJamesS wrote:
Secondly, why did the dual layer discs come out unusable? I've burned single layer discs before and they haven't been an issue. Also, I know for a fact that the drive can burn dual layer discs, so that isn't the issue.
Guessing again but it would seem that you burned a Data DVD instead of a Video DVD which would be unusable by a set-top player. As I said above you can't get around DVD standards.
If by any chance your video was HD originally you can try to go the Blu-Ray route using Roxio Toast or FCS 3 (discontinued) or FCP X. You will also need a Blu-Ray burner.

Idvd dual layer discs and mkv files

Hi, idvd will not encode a film if it is over a certain amount of time. The only way round this is to use a dual layer disc. But these are expensive. Is there a way round this or can anyone suggest different software to use which is as compatable with dvd players as idvd is? Thanks
Also which software will convert mkv or mp4 to dvd as I can not get idvd to do this. I am using the latest idvd.
Many thanks.

Toast
Video Monkey
VisualHub
Google search for others.

Do you need Dual layer discs if you are going to burn dual layer?

Do you need Dual layer discs if you are going to burn dual layer?
My project is 1 hour & :22 mintues. Do they make Verbatim discs that can handle that? OR do I have to put it on two disks?
THanks

Hi, only just come onto this site to check a few problems I am having. Noticed that you are having trouble at stores of getting certain discs.
I order on the net +Taiyo Yuden+, who manufacture for other firms including Verbatim,An order for 100 cake tin, means they are very realistic in value. These discs look super and have not had a single fault. Dave

Dual Layer Disc Does not Play in Set Top DVD Player

Problem: Dual Layer Disc Does not Play in Set Top DVD Player
Solution: If your burner supports having its bitsetting changed, find a utility and change it to include DVD-ROM.
Additional Information:
DL (Dual Layer) is currently only a +R format. This is a serious problem, as you will find that on older players - and a lot of new ones - there is no +R support. It is not official, and therefore useless for any professional application.
By changing the bitsetting of your burner, it allows DLs (Dual Layer discs) to be burned with a book type of DVD-Rom and thus readable by many more players.
DVD player support drops off exponentially if your burner doesn't support bitsetting, allowing you to change the book type of your disc from DL to DVD-Rom. The DL book type will play on most newer software DVD players but not set top players.
If you've burned a dual layer disc without changing the bitsetting, it is a permanent semi-coaster as it will only play on your computer. I understand that newer DL burners are coming with firmware that automatically sets the book type.
Encore offers no control over book-type. My understanding is that this is a burner-specific parameter: some burners support allow themselves to be set and others do not.
Bitsetting (setting the Book Type) is specific to individual burners. There are some 3rd party software utilities out there that do a good job. The best thing to do is do a Google Search for your specific burner and find what works for yours.
LiteOn has a book type utility available for its DL burners:
I believe DVDInfoPro can set this on burners which support it.
Note: I would caution everyone who updates their firmware to check their bitsetting before burning DL discs. I don't know if it always returns to its default but it did in my case.
Bitsetting is done prior to burning the disk and generally only needs to be set once (unless like me, you update the firmware of your burner). The book type identifies to the player what type of disk is in it. Most players will play DVD-Roms with no problem. However, the book type of a DL disk is DVD+R DL as opposed to DVD-Rom and few players can read that.

Some general comments about the OP's several questions
Remember that reading a burned disc is not part of the original, core specification to play a DVD... so while most players do, now, they are really not required to do so to be able to play a replicated disc
This may (probably is) even more so with dual layer discs... the disc material is different, and a player that will happily read a replicated disc may have problems with a burned disc
There are many messages scattered in the forum, over the past several years, about brands of disc that are better... due both to overall quality control and the type of dye on the disc that is burned by the laser... with the bottom line being that not all discs are going to play in all players with 100% success
As for studio discs... there is software out there that costs many thousands of dollars which do many (up to 9?) encoding passes to get the best, and smallest, possible result to fit more on a disc

Trouble burning Dual-Layer discs using various programs... suggestions?

Hello, I could really use some constructive, helpful recommendations here. I've been trying to burn some large (5+ GB) disc images (ISOs, but mostly VIDEO_TS files) to a Dual-Layer disc that would play on a regular DVD player.
So far I've tried a couple different DL disc brands (HP, Memorex), and various programs (Finder, Liquid CD, even Toast Titanium 10 seems to have a hard time doing so), but without much luck-- mostly just end up with coasters.
Have you had this problem trying to burn Dual-Layer discs? And what's a good freeware/shareware program or method that's done the job that you can recommend? I have at least 75GB of space on my 250GB drive (so I would imagine that's enough for any temp burn folder purposes...)
Thanks!

I use Verbatim usually and never have any problems so try one of those if possible, but before you do run a DVD Lens Cleaner disc through it as just a small spec of dust or dirt can sometimes play havoc.
I burn most things with Toast or the Mac OS itself.

Dual layer discs

I have a standard 2.0GHZ Mac Pro with a factory fitted CD/DVD Superdrive.
Can I use Dual layer (8GB) DVD's in this superdrive? Will the mac recognise the Dual layer and let me burn data to a dual layer disc?
Thanks
Lee

System Profiler is where you want to look if you already have the machine you are buying discs for.
System Profile
-> Hardware:
---> Disk Burning
OPTIARC DVD RW AD-7170A:
Firmware Revision: 1.N8
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache: 2048 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Media: Insert media and refresh to show available burn speeds
Note that mine does SL (the 1st 3 and the last one) in either -R, -RW, +R, ... , +RW but only '+R DL'
Check your system profile to see what you can use... should work for any mac, and any type of discs.

Break point for the particular user

Anybody knows how to set up a break point for the particular user on a particular statement. So I can see this breakpoint on my screen when it happened?

Hi,
If the user ID is USERA then set a breakpoint for USERA as :
BREAK USERA.
Cheers,
Aditya

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