Breaking init of delta

Hi,
We have a ODS1 which is sending data to 4 cubes cube1,cube 2,cube 3,cube 4.
Now I am planning to break the init for ods and do the re init.
So will this effect follown objects?
If yes how will this effect follow on objects? Please explain?
Thanks

Hi,
Follow these steps.
1) Before breaking the init, pull all the data from ODS1 to all the 4 cubes.
2) DO NOT load any delta to the ODS1 till you break the initialization.
3) Delete the init and re-init separately to all the 4 cubes.
(Hope you are in BI 7.0, as this is not possible in BW 3.5)
4) Then pull delta to the ODS1 and then to the 4 cubes separaltely.
Regards,
Balaji v

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