Bridge Mode/3rd Party Router

I have DSL and use a Verizon issued Actiontec GT784WN router. I want to make this Actiontec router only a modem so that i can use my Cisco EA4500 router as my wireless router. I need to be able to access the Cisco router via WAN (remote access). Can this be done. Seen some stuff around, however the Verizon GUI on the Actiontec GT784WN Router does not list any bridge mode that i can find.

There is definitely a bridge mode on the ActionTec that I've seen in the past. I will need to turn mine on and find out where it is. It's either called "Bridge" or RFC-2684 Bridge, and can be found in your modem's PPPoE or VC Settings. Either one of these modes should disable routing on the modem and hand off responsibility to an external device.
If there is a mode called Static NAT, you can use that to give your router the public IP while leaving your ability to access the ActionTec intact, and gives you the option to make the router "Plug and Play" so you don't have to configure PPPoE.
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HT1515 My internet 3rd party access point in in the basement and the speakers I want to stream music to wirelessly are upstairs. Does Airport Express need to be connected to my 3rd party router via ethernet cable or will it stream music wirelessly?

My internet 3rd party access point in in the basement and the speakers I want to stream music to wirelessly are upstairs. Does Airport Express need to be connected to my 3rd party router via ethernet cable or will it stream music wirelessly?

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Just select the option to make your AirPort Express join an existing network in the setup process

Accessing secure sites with 3rd party router

I want to use my original router "Buffalo WBMR G54" with BT and have been for a short while but cannot access online banking or barclaycard online, works ok with home hub. Tried both firefox and IE8, pages just hangs on both browsers.
Any techies around know why this is please? My Buffalo worked fine as a 3rd party router with talktalk

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Can you tell me how to change the MTU settings for the BT Hub pls?
I have just moved home and have taken BT BB with me.....the internet is running fine but i cant connect to secure sites at all. Have tried contacting BT and they have tried everything but cant help!
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First check your Firewall is not blocking SSL port 443.
This thread contains most of the information you may need to change you PC MTU value, I don't think the Homehub MTU value can be easily changed?
http://community.bt.com/t5/BB-in-Home/BT-Broadband-and-MTU/m-p/12660;jsessionid=F92D7A9C8D5A07CAE73C...
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I have just received my youview+ box and am unable to view the extra channels and BT sport using my Buffalo WHR-600D router.
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https://community.bt.com/t5/YouView-Boxes/Using-a-3rd-party-router-for-Multicast/td-p/1048582

Use express as a wifi extension wirelessly with 3rd party router

Hello,
I've just purchased an Airport Express. I want to use it to extend the wifi range to upstairs of my Virgin Media Superhub (downstairs).
I have read that you need to connect the two together with an ethernet cable if using a 3rd party router (not Airport Extreme or Time Capsule). I have connected the AE it to my macbook pro via airport utility wirelessly (without an ethernet cable) and the light is green and the signal seems to have slightly extended. So it seems to have worked for my MBP.
The problem is when I use it with my iPhone 5, despite showing up on the airport utility app, when I go close to the Airport express (upstairs) it doesn't improve the wifi signal at all and sometinmes lose signal completely. The airplay also works with my MBP but cuts out with the iPhone.
Is it possible to connect it wirelessly like I have done or have I just been tricked into thinking the signal has improved?
I'm currently running OS 10.8.5 on MBP and iOS 7 on the iphone 5.
I've tried to articulate this easily and I'm sure someone has already asked this but any help would be appreciated.
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The trick would be to locate the Express where you need more wireless signal coverage and connect it back to the SuperHub using an Ethernet cable.
You can run an Ethernet cable up to 330 feet or 100 meters with no signal loss.
If you cannot run an Ethernet cable, you might want to take a look at a pair of Ethernet powerline adapters to send the Ethernet signal over the AC powerlines in your home. The theory here is that you already have the wiring in place, you just need the adapters.
Any computer/electronics superstore will have a selection of powerline devices on hand from which to choose.
I doubt that you would notice any improvement at all if you located the Expess close the SuperHub, and it might actually interfere with the signal from the SuperHub, so that location would not be recommended.

3rd Party Router and an iMac with Airport card

Could someone assist me in setting up an older flat panel iMac 800Mhz with a airport card to a 3rd party router (Speedport W 500V). It was really easy to set up the DSL etc when connecting to an Airport Extreme base station, however I have upgraded and trying to get conencted at my parents place, which have DSL but with the Speedport W 500V modem/wireless combo - any assistance to get the two connected would be appreciated.

Is there a SW tool similar to the Airport Admin
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the third party router?
There may be (probably Windows only) or you need to use a web based configurator. It will depend on what the manufacturer of your router provides.
The manual which came with the router (it may be in electronic form) should provide guidance on how to configure the router via a browser.
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How to Bridge PACE 5031 NV to 3rd Party Router?

People say it's a lot like the 2Wire 3600, but the menus don't look the same to me. I Happily follow instructions with screenshots. My local tech geek is not able to handle this for some reason... Help?

Got my internet speed (cake) and gigabit LAN (eating it, too)! The trick I believe was 'Attack Detection' in advanced FW settings.
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There is no true bridge mode on the 2Wire routers. However, you can still configure it such that almost all functions of your own router will work properly.
1. Set your router's WAN interface to get an IP address via DHCP. This is required at first so that the 2Wire recognizes your router.
2. Plug your router's WAN interface to one of the 2Wire's LAN interfaces.
3. Restart your router, let it get an IP address via DHCP.
4. Log into the 2Wire router's interface. Go to Settings -> Firewall -> Applications, Pinholes, and DMZ
5. Select your router under section (1).
6. Click the DMZPlus button under section (2).
7. Click the Save button.
8. Restart your router, when it gets an address via DHCP again, it will be the public outside IP address. At this point, you can leave your router in DHCP mode (make sure the firewall on your router allows the DHCP renewal packets, which will occur every 10 minutes), or you can change your router's IP address assignment on the WAN interface to static, and use the same settings it received via DHCP.
9. On the 2Wire router, go to Settings -> Firewall -> Advanced Configuration
10. Uncheck the following: Stealth Mode, Block Ping, Strict UDP Session Control.
11. Check everything under Outbound Protocol Control except NetBIOS.
12. Uncheck NetBIOS under Inbound Protocol Control.
13. Uncheck all the Attack Detection checkboxes (7 of them).
14. Click Save.
Your router should now be able to route as if the 2Wire was a straight bridge, for the most part.
Inbound port 22 might be blocked, and inbound ports 8000-8015 might also be blocked, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
This is how I have my 2Wire configured, and I have a Cisco 2811 behind it doing IPSec, IPv6 tunnels, etc.

Using a 3rd party router for Multicast

Hi all,
There’s a lot of feedback on this board about using third party routers with Multicast, so we’ve decided to put this information all in the one place for you.
NOTE: the workarounds below haven’t been tested by BT as we do not support 3rd party routers and we do not endorse any of them. Our recommended router remains the Home Hub.
With the above statement in mind, we know that a lot of you do choose to use other routers. The information contained here has come from fellow customers who have given their time to share this information in good faith. Thanks to all of the forum members who have helped make this information available to our community it is a great example of the wealth of information that a community can provide and we hope this encourages users to come back and visit us in the future.
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Apple Airport Extreme
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- 'Use DHCP routes' = Microsoft
- 'Enable multicast routing (IGMP Proxy) = Enable
- 'Enable efficient multicast forwarding (IGMP Snooping) = Enable
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[From walkerx's post]
Billion 7800N
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[TimCurtis' post]
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[wigglr's post]
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[zarf2007's post]
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[HappySlayerUK's post]
TP-Link TL-WR1043ND
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[walkerx's post]
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[aseymour's post]
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[cactusbob's post]
TP-Link routers in general
How to configure Multicast on TP-Link routers (from the TP-Link website).
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He found that your router must be able to do the following for Multicast:
For an end user connected via Openreach GEA (FTTC and FTTH)
• The Residential Gateway will support:
– IPoE for multicast traffic and PPPoE for BB traffic;
– VLAN tag ID of 0 or no VLAN tag ID for multicast and BB traffic;
– Fork IGMP requests up multicast and BB paths.
For an end user connected to an MSAN (WBC copper)
• The Residential Gateway will support:
– A dual VC architecture;
– Accept TV Connect multicast traffic on ATM VP/VC 0/35 with IPoE and broadband traffic on ATM VP/VC 0/38 with PPPoE;
– Fork IGMP requests up multicast and broadband paths.
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[walkerx's post]
List of routers that do not appear to work:
Draytek 2750n
Linksys EA4500
linksys EA6300
Netgear AC6300
[From Red_Snow's post]
If you use a router that’s not listed here, do a search on the YouView from BT board to see if advice has been posted elsewhere. If it hasn’t, do post your question.
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Changing router to 3rd party router

I've been thinking about upgrading my router to a 3rd party AC wireless router so I can use more of my bandwith on my laptop and other wireless gadgets. My question is can I change it and keep all my tv services. I was told I have to use verizon's as a bridge. If I can how would I go about doing it.

Check your new router's manual for how to put it into Access Point Mode. (most new AC routers just require changing a setting, some/ those without an explicit setting will require you turn off DCHP and make sure it is plugged in via one of its LAN ports ).* All your services will remain because your Actiontec will essentially be doing all the heavy lifting. You can even leave the WiFi on the old router on but I would recommend spacing out the channels to prevent interference. (also it is not very neighbor friendly if you live in an apartment)
Bridging the Actiontec is only needed if:
You have a pretty old one and want to do a lot of torrenting/ gaming (the older ones have small NAT tables ... I think any of the ones over 100,00 should be fine for most)
You want to use some specialized features besides WiFi on your new router (its firewall, advanced management of the usb port, ect.... Access Point mode disables some of these features)
You have time to waste
You have so much heavy traffic/ devices on your router that the cpu/ ram of your new router will make a difference (unlikely)
Anyway, if you do bridge (and it is a fun little project if you have the time), you can create a double bridge which shouldn't be much harder to fix the On Demand problem**. It is option 5 of this guide: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077
*Just plugging the router in normally without putting it in Access Point Mode means all your WiFi internet traffic has to go through two routers to reach the internet. It will likely work most of the time, but it may cause unnecessary problems with devices on your network communicating to each other and also port forwarding which is important to a lot of applications.
**Only On Demand and DVR will go away with a regular bridge... Not your entire TV service. (possibly the tv guide/ on screen caller ID but I've heard from multiple people that is not the case)

TC in Bridge Mode with ISP router vs TC as Ethernet with VDSL modem

Hi, I have a time capsule. It's the newest generation of the old shape/design - i.e second to newest version. It's running 7.6.4. firmware.
I recently updgraded my ISP to Fibre VDSL and the ISP sent me a crappy router with a built-in modem that you have to use. I checked the ISP support forums and found plenty of advice to configure the TC over ethernet with this router using the DMZ of the router etc. Anyway, I got it all working but i wasn't happy. port forwarding was a pain and you end up with double NAT issue - not surprising.
The alternative config was to switch the TC to 'bridge mode' so the crappy ISP router does the NAT / DHCP, port forwarding, dpnp, internet routing. I got this all working and i have made sure that all of my network nodes/clients (wired and wifi) are all off the TC and only use the ISP router for internet, dhcp etc. This is all working with good speeds, solid internet access but...
Major issues with airplay (use this a lot) and also with stuff like facetime etc. The connection is much faster (40mbps down/10mbps up) than my old ASDL setup but as I said, key services that I use are not as stable.
I think my only alternative solution is to buy a VDSL modem seperately and use the TC as the router i.e. go back to my old config with TC doing all the routing, port forwarding etc.
Does anyone here have a view as to whether this is worth trying? I'm hoping that it if the TC is doing all the routing, I will get less drop outs and services will work as they should. On the other hand, I hoped airplay would be OK as it's a wifi/Lan service rather than WAN but I have had quite a few issues.
Appreciate any help with this and sorry for the lengthy note!
Jata.

In theory, you will do better by using a simple bridge mode modem and then setting up the Time Capsule as the router to provide DHCP and NAT services.
But, as you might imagine, it is not possible to predict whether your results will actually be better using this type of setup.
Worth a try, in my opinion, if you can find a store that will let you return the modem for credit if it does not do what you want.
Even a simple modem will still likely have to be configured to operate in bridge mode, but the setup should only take a few minutes using the web based configuration interface.
Let us know how things are working if you can, if you decide to the try the simple modem approach.

Is it ok to use Westell 6100F in non-bridged mode with Linksys router?

I'm a new Verizon DSL customer.
After several attempts I was only able to connect my Verizon 6100F modem with my Linksys wired router in non-bridged mode. I just changed the IP address in my router, and then released and renewed. I did this just yesterday and the connection is fine...so far.
Fyi, I'm using the Linksys for its firewall. I don't need wireless.
Since I didn't bridge the modem, I assume I'm basically using two routers, the 6100F and the Linksys. Will this cause me issues in the future?
I need to decide whether to try again to bridge the modem or just leave it alone.
Thanks.

dslr595148 wrote:
Yes, it is ok.
Here are things that I have ever heard of what can happen (or happens) with Double NAT:
#1 Might not possible to get online, depending on the LAN IP of both routers. But it sounds like you already solved that issue.
#2 NAT and Double NAT cause lag/latency.
I point to two source(s).
a) URL: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15872
Title/Location: All DSLR (dslreports.com) FAQs » AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ » Motorola Info » How do I properly set up a Motorola 2210 with a Netgear router.
b) As to why that theory/concept is true, go to http://www.endlagnow.org/ELN/TakeAction_TopTips.aspx
and read tip number one, there.
#3 If you want to allow users from the net to connect to you, I point to..
http://www.portforward.com/ -> Other Guides -> Port Forwarding Behind Two Routers?
#4 http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/992
Where they talk about Double NAT, VPNs, and visiting secure (SSL) sites.
#5 Some routers may or may not show up when doing a trace route to the outside.
Another problem with double-NAT is some screen sharing methods may not work. Such as Apple "Back To My Mac".
Using and troubleshooting Back to My Mac in Mac OS X 10.5
I just logged on to this forum to see if I can find the necessary steps to turn my Westel 6100F up to "bridge" so I can use my Linksys WRT54G2v1 as the only router on my home network.
PS, I'm subscribing to this thread in case anyone has a link to step by step for setting this up on the Westel 6100F (I can handle the Linksys end of things).
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Working with a 3rd party router

I have a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 and wish to use it rather than the gateway (3801HGV) that was provided. I realize that At&t doesn't support 3rd party routers, so I thought I'd ask here.The current setup is: Gateway>Netgear>devices. The netgear is connected as a DMZ port on the gateway. They also have separate subnets. Gateway is 192.168.1.x and netgear is 192.168.2.x. The Netgear has the ports open for Xbox Live. I have 3 devices on the network that don't seem to be working correctly. Two of those devices are TV receivers (wireless and wired) and the other is an Xbox One. The wired receiver and Xbox are connected to a Gigabit switch over by the TV. The TVs freeze and say they lose connection even though they show 10-30 seconds of the channel chosen.The Xbox is having issues keeping connected to party chat. Games and other apps work properly. To work on some troubleshooting, I connected the cables that go to the TVs to the gateway and the TVs are working properly, but I would like everything to be run through the netgear. I'm not the one who plays Xbox, so I am not yet able to test. Is there anything I can do to configure the Netgear or the gateway to allow all devices to be routed through the Netgear? Any help is appreciated.

As my thoughts has said, AT&T doesn't support sending IPTV traffic through a third party router. If you have a third party router that properly implements IGMPv3, then you may be able to do so, but understand that AT&T doesn't support it. I do not believe your router falls into this category anyway, so it's a moot point.
The symptoms of running your IPTV traffic through a router that doesn't support it is exactly what you've experienced, you get picture for 10-20 seconds after a channel change, then it's lost. I'm guessing that your issue is that you have only one Cat5e cable run between where the RG and router are and where a TV Receiver and the Xbox are and you need to run traffic for both over that same wire. Options are (a) get a Wireless Receiver, (b) use two VLAN with tagging capable gigabit switches to send the tagged traffic over the single cable, then separate it out at the remote switch.

3rd party router does not have PPPoA option and wo...

Hi there, I just switched to the regular BT Broadband this week, and I opted out of a Home Hub 4 as I already own a modem + router that I used to connect to my old ISP with in bridged mode.
However, for some reason I cann't get this same setup to work with BT Broadband. If I connect my modem up on its own and set it to PPPoA/PPPoE mode, and enter the BT username and password, the internet works fine, however if I connect the modem to my router's WAN port, set the modem to bridged mode, and enter the appropriate settings into my router, it simply does not connect.
My modem is a TP-Link 8817 and my router is an Asus RT-N15U.
On my modem there are the following encapsulation settings I can use: "Dynamic IP Address", "Static IP Address", "PPPoA/PPPoE" & "Bridge Mode".
On my Asus router, there are the following encapsulation settings: "Automatic IP", "Static IP", "PPPoE", "PPTP", "L2TP".
I received a sheet with my modem showing the settings for each UK ISP, and it states that BT Broadband uses PPPoA, however my Asus router only has a PPPoE option and it's not connecting when I choose this option whilst my modem is in bridge mode.
Can anyone help me, or am I simply snookered?

As the Asus is PPPoE only I think you may be out of luck unless one of the gurus has any ideas. You may have to put it in a box until you get infinity- sorry.
I presume you were on an ADSL connection with your previous ISP.

EA6900 - Unable to Change to Bridge Mode or Reset router Via Smart Wi-fi

I am unable to change to Bridge mode to do a reset of the router from within the software. There is no option to change it to Bridge. And under Diagnostics, there is no option to Reset. I am trying first and foremost to set the IP scheme to the same as my DSL router. I would rather not put it in Bridge mode. I have tried setting the IP out of the range of the DSL router, and within the same scheme.
It does not work. This is the most current version of the firmware.

Hi Dr. Tek, You can try to reset the router for 30 seconds and power cycle it after. Try to access the Linksys Smart Wi-Fi software again and check if you can change the connection type to bridge mode. You can also use another internet browser to isolate the problem.

AX as remote WDS with 3rd party Router

Hi
I have a third party modem/router of which I would like to expand the wireless network with a new Airport Express
The router uses 802.11g so my understanding is that the only way to extend the network is using WDS
On the router I can enable WDS and scan for available access points. The Airport only shows up if previouslòy configured to create a wireless network, but not if is joined to the router current network, I believe this is expected behaviour but not sure.
If I enable WDS and add the Airport from the router config menu the Airport continues to distribute its own IP addresses (10.1...) while the router addresses are (192.168...) and no Internet available
I am sure I am missing some configuration on the Airport side regarding enabling as a remote WDS base station, I believe I can change the AX IP addresses to match those of the router(192.168...), also I have vague memories of needed NAT config as well... Doeas anyone have instructions on what needs to be configured on the Airport?
Many thanks
Francesco

WDS was never adopted as an official industry standard, so manufacturers were left to their own as far as the implementation of WDS.
The chances that an AirPort Express would be able to connect to a third party router using WDS settings are extremely small. Even if it might work, you will likely not be able to use any type of wireless security on the network.
Look over Apple's WDS instructions for connecting two Apple devices together to see if there might be a clue in there somewhere that you have overlooked.
Unfortunately, you may not even be able to "see" the WDS settings in AirPort Utility, since the instructions state than 802.11n devices like the new AirPort Express should not be used with WDS. Good luck!
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4262

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