Browsing Behavior: iPhoto vs Aperture

I'm currently using iPhoto and Aperture concurrently (iPhoto for browsing/storage, Aperture for importing/tagging/editing), but I really want to switch over to just Aperture. There is one thing that's keeping me from moving to Aperture for browsing and storage:
In iPhoto, when you open the library (not an album, the whole library) I can scroll through events, open one, then click "show all events" and it returns me back to where I was on the list of events (I have approx. 1000 events, so this is important). Aperture almost replicates this, when you click on All Projects, you get swipe-able project thumbs, just like events. However, when you open a project, then click back on All Projects, you end up at the top of the list, not the scroll point you were previously at.
I know this doesn't sound like much, but it's a deal breaker for me in terms of finishing my migration. I often am looking through a big list of events, browsing through pictures from, say, 20 of them around the same time period to get the right shot. Having to scroll back down to the point I left off at every time I exit a project back to the main list is horribly annoying.
Anyone have any ideas on how to replicate iPhoto's behavior in Aperture?
Thanks in advance,
Elliot

Interesting, I didn't know about top tier folders. That gets me most of the way there - the scroll behavior is correct, but then I'm looking at all the photos, not swipe-enabled projects...
Don't get me wrong, when I'm doing post on a shoot, Aperture handles organization really well, but in terms of having all my shots and projects from the last decade laid out, I find iPhoto's chronological event view much more appealing than a really long list of nested folders. Apertures "All Projects" comes so close to working, but that scroll behavior (resetting to the top of the list) really kills it's usefulness to me.

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I gave up on using iPhoto a little while ago because of how the library was built and the rather rigid means of editing photos and working with files. So I switched over to a more manual setup using photoshop and bridge.
Of course now when I want to use the media browser in the iWork suite, my lack of an iPhoto library leaves me with no options. Granted, I can always search for the file in finder and drag it over - but the media browser feature is fantastic and I'd hate to go without it.
Aside from reinstalling iPhoto and needlessly taking up space with a new library, do I have any other options to get the media browser back on its feet?
Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

Sorry, I should have elaborated on that. I do not own Aperture; purely an Adobe user. But I assume it would be compatible with the iWork suite since it is an Apple application. Just hoping to keep things as simple as possible while still allowing me to use the programs I prefer.
Thanks.

Comparing counts after conversion: iPhoto to Aperture

Well, I just finished a major conversion from iPhoto to Aperture. 47,000 photos and videos in a 303 gigabyte iPhoto Library. It was a long and winding road, and I learned a lot about how to compare counts of photos and videos between iPhoto and Aperture. I hope this information helps someone spend a few less hours on the task than I had to.
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- Formats supported by iPhoto but not by Aperture. I have some old (pre-OS X) screenshots in PICT format. Viewable just fine in iPhoto, but they do not get imported into Aperture.
- Some video formats (in my case, MPEG1 Muxed) are imported into Aperture, but are not playable within Aperture, and do not show up if you filter on File Type = Video (that last part seems just plain wrong behavior).
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- I did have a few items that were *just plain skipped*, with no error dialog, by the import. Scary. But in every case, there was evidence of a problem in iPhoto: I would see a fine thumbnail, but if I tried to open the photo or video, I'd see a gray exclamation point where the photo/video should appear. In every case I successfully found an valid original (in the iPhoto "Originals" folder) and moved it manually into Aperture. Problem is, are you going to try and view every photo you have in iPhoto, checking for exclamation points? I tracked my missing photos/videos down by painstakingly comparing counts in matching slices of time (say, August 2006) in iPhoto and Aperture. When I narrowed a count discrepancy to a set of 100 pics or so, I compared thumbnails between the 2 apps until I found the item missing from Aperture. Not fun.
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Mike M

Hey, thanks for the comprehensive post. It helped me quite a bit and probably saved me a lot of time; I'm sure it did the same to a lot of people who didn't have an account here as well.

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I want to start using Aperture 2 for my photo editing, so I need to import a number of RAW photos that are currently stored in iPhoto. This seems like it should be a simple enough process, but the different methods I have attempted have only resulted in a JPG version of the photo being imported.
I have spent quite a bit of time perusing previous posts and haven't been able to find an answer, so any help or direction would be greatly appreciated!

I don't think there is any reason to export the photos from iPhoto first. Aperture can browse the iPhoto library and will allow you to drag and drop the original files.
In Aperture:
1. Pull down File > Show iPhoto Browser.
2. Find the photos you want, highlight them by Shift+clicking several in a row or Command+clicking discontinuous photos. Make sure the extension on the file corresponds to the type of RAW file your camera shoots (.CR2 for Canon, .NEF for Nikon, etc).
3. Drag and drop the selected files to the Library icon in the Projects list. This will create a new project called "Untitled Project" that contains your photos.
Regards,
Michael

How do I rebuild a common library used by both iPhoto and Aperture?

I'm using a common library for both iPhoto and Aperture—latest versions of each and Mavericks. I'm finding photos that are in the library that seem to have fallen out of their events or projects. When I open those events or projects, the folders are empty, however the photos are still in the database. How do I rebuild this library so as to recover my original organization?

it will not matter, if you rebuild in iPhoto or Aperture.
You rebuild the library by launching either Aperture or iPhoto while holding down the key combination⌥⌘ (option-command) and double-clicking the Aperture or iPhoto icon. Keep holding down the keys, until you are seeing the Library First Aid panel. Select to Rebuild the database.
Back up your library before rebuilding.
When I open those events or projects, the folders are empty, however the photos are still in the database. How do I rebuild this library so as to recover my original organization?
Where are you seeing the photos, that are missing from the projects, but are still in the database?
Rebuilding will collect photos, that have lost the connection to the edited versions, and show them in a "Recovered Project". It will not restore them to the original projects, if it is not clear, what where the originals belong to.
Have you checked, if you have filters set, that are hiding the photos? Check the search fields in the browser and the Info panel, if they are cleared and set to "Show All".

Is it possible to keep both iPhoto and Aperture on the same Mac

I would like to use both IPhoto (for day by day pictures) and Aperture (for pictures made with my SLR in Raw format).
Is anybody able to advice me about this opportunity?

You can keep both Applications (iPhoto and Aperture) on the same computer and separate libraries for iPhoto and Aperture; images from both libraries will/should be available in other Applications from the Media Browser. In the long run, after you get accustomed to working Aperture, you will find it more convenient to migrate all your images to Aperture. Aperture has the more efficient storage strategy, you need less disk space to store multiple versions of the same image in Aperture than in iPhoto, and Aperture is the more versatile tool.
It is easy to migrate iPhoto libraries to Aperture, but that is a one way road, if you want to export back to iPhoto, you can export your images, but not all of your library structure.

Both iPhoto and Aperture hanging up immediately on launch

Both iPhoto and Aperture hanging up immediately on launch..
Please help in resolving the issues

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IPhoto and Aperture sharing a library

I want to use Aperture 3 while my wife uses iPhoto on the same computer. We have a gazillion photos in the library and I want both programs to be able to access the same photos. I've imported the iphoto library to Aperture and everything's fine.
The question is: when I import new photos into the library (via iphoto), will both programs recognize the new imports, or do I need to constantly re-import the library into Aperture for it to recognize new additions to the library?

The relationship between iPhoto and Aperture is not dynamic. Updates to one library are not available to the other.
So, yes, if you add to the iPhoto Library you will also need to add to the Aperture Library, and vice versa.
If you use a Referenced Library in iPhoto (which I do not recommend) and Referenced masters in Aperture then you might be able to automate the process somewhat with Automator and a watched folder system.
For updating Aperture with new imports to iPhoto you can drag the new Events over to Aperture using the File -> Import -> Show iPhoto Browser command. Note that this will always mean Managed Masters.
Regards
TD

Drag from iPhoto to Aperture

When in Aperture, I open my iPhoto window and drag and drop photos from iPhoto to Aperture. I would like the files copied into Aperture (rather than keeping the files in iPhoto and merely reference in Aperture). How do I make sure the files are copied into Aperture (so the master file is in Aperture)?

This is all helpful. When I said I opened the iPhoto window, I meant that when in Aperture I open the iPhoto browser. So, I take it that if I have a RAW in iPhoto that I have made edits to, when I drag and drop from the iPhoto browser then (1) I'll get both the original RAW and the modified version as a jpeg and (2) the file will be copied into Aperture as the master (managed), so if I delete the photo in iPhoto I will still be able to work on it in Aperture.
For me that creates a nice workflow, as I can shoot RAW, download into iPhoto, sort through and drop into Aperture (from the iPhoto browser) the ones (including original RAW files) I want to keep and work on further (even after doing some preliminary adjustments in iPhoto), then delete and/or move to an external storage device the images I downloaded into iPhoto (given that with RAW I would otherwise quickly consume my laptop harddrive.) See any issues?

Linking iPhoto and Aperture., Linking iPhoto and Aperture.

So, I have done all the obvious things and after multiple years with iPhoto, am struggling with Aperture, but I'll get there. I want to retain iPhoto as a browser for my family, and use Aperture primarily for adjustments. Now, I can open iPhoto files direct in Aperture, but how do I save the new version to iPhoto easily? I can export to desktop then drag in, but I had almost expected the new version that I am adjusting in Aperture to save direct to iPhoto.
Second question....I've seen comments about dragging new projects direct into iPhoto as either a file or say, slideshow. Is this just a drag and drop operation with both iPhoto and Aperture browsers open or is there a very elegant way I'm missing?

Now, I can open iPhoto files direct in Aperture, but how do I save the new version to iPhoto easily? I can export to desktop then drag in, but I had almost expected the new version that I am adjusting in Aperture to save direct to iPhoto.
You can't. Aperture is not an External Editor for iPhoto. It's a database, like iPhoto and is a complete replacement for iPhoto. Simply, the scenario you have is not part of the Aperture toolkit.
Aperture and iPhoto are entirely different applications that work in very different ways.
The only communication between the two is as follows:
Aperture is able to parse the iPhoto Library to allow it to import the contents while stacking the Originals and Modified versions, preserving metadata and so forth.
Aperture can share its Previews with the iLife apps, including iPhoto.
That's it.
So, specifically, what interaction there is between the two is designed to facilitate migration from iPhoto to the more powerful app. After that, iPhoto has exactly the same relationship to the Aperture Library as, say, Pages or iMovie.

Graceful way to migrate from iPhoto to Aperture -- w/o losing metadata?

Does anyone have advice on migrating an iPhoto library into Aperture without losing some critical metadata? I'm specifically concerned about two things:
1. "Original" and "Modified" versions: I shoot RAW but put quite a bit of work into post-processing photos (e.g., white balance correction, cropping, etc.) It's very important to me that I don't lose the connection between original and modified versions of files. Additionally, when I browse an event, I would like to be able to see the "modified" version of files that I have edited and "original" version of files that I have not -- just like in iPhoto. My efforts to date have resulted in either A) losing original versions of all modified photos or B) creating an Aperture project with duplicate original and modified copies of each iPhoto photo.
2. "Hidden" photos. The "hide/unhide" feature is the best tool iPhoto provides for sorting "good" pictures from "bad" in a shot, so I have used it extensively. I would like to not lose this information when migrating to Aperture (even if it takes a different form -- maybe "reject"?), and it would certainly be nice to be able to optionally either browse all photos in a shot or only those that were not hidden when in iPhoto.
Is there any hope?
(Context: I've been using iPhoto for years, but I really like Aperture's interface and photo tuning/editing options. I've considered migrating a number of times and have always turned back because of how much information I'd lose in the migration. Has anyone managed to crack the code... or has Apple finally made this transition doable?)

I do have a related question and problems. Any input would be greatly appreciated
I am in the process of migrating my iPhoto pictures over to Aperture. Because I have close to 100k pictures and short clips, I can not import my entire 500 GB library at once because I don't have enough hard drive space to support both iPhoto and Aperture libraries at the same time. I also thought it might make sense to not have one gigantic library. Also I would like to have my old photos separated by years, and I don't know if Aperture would do this if I imported the entire iPhoto library (which does only separate them by events) at once. So it appears to me that the only import method that would work (please correct me if this is wrong) would be to open the "Masters" directory of iPhoto in the Finder, and drag and drop each year's directory into the "Projects/Library" panel in Aperture. Note that I do not want any editing information preserved from iPhoto, so using the Masters seems to be the most space efficient thing. So far so good but there appear to be at least two big snags. Firstly the yellow projects folders within each blue years folder in Aperture are not in chronological but in alphabetical order and I can't find out how to fix this. Secondly (and much more problematically) the dates on many old photos have been altered in an apparent random manner during the import into Aperture! Therefore they do appear in the wrong locations in my events library, according to the altered date. There are many too many photos that have been changed to undo this manually (I estimate it would take several weeks to do this).
But how and why could this have happened in the first place?
I also noticed that even when I change the dates of the Aperture masters to the true ones (by comparing to the masters in iPhoto), they still remain in the same wrong location in my Projects/Events library, according to the date originally (and falsely) assigned by Aperture.
There surely has to be a way to import photos into Aperture without ruining their date stamp?
Thanks in advance for your help!

IPhoto to Aperture Questions

I currently have over 17,000 photos in iPhoto. I really need something more to organize my photos. I have downloaded the trial version of Aperture and have imported my iPhoto library (referenced).
What are the advantages/disadvantages of referenced vs managed? I imported mine as referenced but I am thinking that I should import them as managed and then delete the iPhoto library once I get Aperture up and running. I would then use Aperture for my photo management and abandon iPhoto.
Other wise if I leave the photos in Aperture as referenced, can I use iPhoto and Aperture? example; if I import photos from my camera into iPhoto; do I then have to import them into Aperture? Picaso, I believe, scans the photo library for new photos; does Aperture do this so that I can use both?
Thanks Gary

Hello Gary,
Managed and referenced Libraries both have their advantages:
The big advantage of a managed library is that to the finder it is just one single archive folder, that easily can be copied or moved. And you do not have to keep track of your master image files, Aperture will do that for you. A managed library is perfect, as long as you do not run out of disk space on your drive.
The advantage of a referenced library is, that you can separate the master files from the Aperture library and you can move them to an external drive, when your Aperture Library gets to big to be kept on the internal drive. However, that makes the master file accessible by the Finder, and you might be tempted to proccess them outside Aperture without going thru Aperture. This way, you can easily corrupt your Aperture LIbrary.
You were asking, if you can share your iPhoto images with Aperture by leaving them inside iPhoto:
That will be risky on the long run. You can store the master files in iPhoto, but that would be pointless, for you must not process or edit or modify the Aperture masters in any other way then by going thru Aperture. Otherwise Aperture will loose the connection between the master files and the edited versions of the masters.
If you still want to keep some images in iPhoto, you can use the iPhoto Browser in Aperture to read your iPhoto Library, and to import recently added images, but adding images to iPhoto will not automatically add them to your Aperture Library.
If you still have questions, go ahead and ask more. I am sure, others will add to this post.
Regards
Léonie

External edits (PS CS 6) do not transfer from iPhoto to Aperture

I am sharing my main Aperture libary between Aperture and iPhoto. It works well, only external edits are problematic, when done while browsing the library in iPhoto.
When I open the library in iPhoto and edit a jpeg photo in Photoshop CS6, I can see clearly the edited version in the browser, for example, after applying the oil-paint effect in CS6.
But in Aperture the edits do not show: After switching from iPhoto to Aperture the externally edited image is still showing the original version, no indication of an external edit in the badges, no new version generated.
But when I drag the preview from the browser, the preview is showing the edits done in Photoshop CS6.
I suspect, because iPhoto is not creating a new quasi master like Aperture, and the external edits are witten to the preview of the edited version, the only way to access the external iPhoto edits will be by exporting the preview.
I tried this, because I wanted to avoid the creation of tiff or psd files as quasi masters, when doing external edits on jpegs, but when the edits are invisible in Aperture it will be no great help. Now, is that a bug or a feature?
Aperture 3.5.1, iPhoto 9.5.1, PS CS6

So, to clarify, what's happening is that the Thumbnails are not updating to match the changes made in Photoshop?
Where is your Library? On your start-up disk? On an External? If on an External, what format is that?
This might be a form of corruption, try Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild.
Maybe I need to reset the Preferences?
Perhaps? Try trash the com.apple.iPhoto.plist file from the HD/Users/ Your Name / library / preferences folder. (Remember you'll need to reset your User options afterwards. These include minor settings like the window colour and so on. Note: If you've moved your library you'll need to point iPhoto at it again.)
*What's the plist file?*
For new users: Every application on your Mac has an accompanying plist file. It records certain User choices. For instance, in your favourite Word Processor it remembers your choice of Default Font, on your Web Browser is remembers things like your choice of Home Page. It even recalls what windows you had open last if your app allows you to pick up from where you left off last. The iPhoto plist file remembers things like the location of the Library, your choice of background colour, whether you are running a Referenced or Managed Library, what preferences you have for autosplitting events and so on. Trashing the plist file forces the app to generate a new one on the next launch, and this restores things to the Factory Defaults. Hence, if you've changed any of these things you'll need to reset them. If you haven't, then no bother. Trashing the plist file is Mac troubleshooting 101.
Is it because I a have accumulated about 5,000 images in my library and the program is maxing out?
iPhoto 09 is good for a 250,000 images so you've got a little headroom yet...
Regards
TD

Can I save captions (labels under the photos in iPhoto) in Aperture?

Can I save captions (labels under the photos in iPhoto) in Aperture?

The captions are indeed in iPhoto replacing the scan number under the photo.
I see, you want to save the name of the image version - both Aperture and iPhoto allow you to create multiple edited versions of the same original image file and in iPhoto you are seeing the name of the image version belbow the thumbnail of the image, if you change the title n the Info panel.
But they are not saved with the photos when burned to disc,apparently (correct me if I am werong).
I don't know, which iPhoto version you are currently using. When you export photos (in iPhoto '11) or image versions (in Aperture 3) as files to a folder on the disk, you can use the version name/Title as the filename. Both applications let you chose, how the exported file will be called. In iPhoto use the following settings, when exporting your images, to use the title as the filename:
Select the images in the Browser.
Use "File > Export"
Set the "Kind" to "Original" or "Current", depending on if you want to export the original or the edited version,
And then pick a format for the filename. To use the title/verson name as the filname instead of the scan number, set "File Name" to "Use Title".

Anyone using iPhoto and Aperture??

Apple newbie here...I have iPhoto and Aperture on my iMac. I've been loading new pics onto iPhoto and Aperture, but am guessing it's taking a ton of storage space with duplication? Just wondered what more experienced users are doing???

BAckup to CD & DVD, you'd be able to do something similar with either product so I'm not sure that would be much help in deciding.
(And BTW backing up to CD/DVD's may not be your best option given all the changes in technology but thats a different discussion )
So yes you probably have some duplication going on. I'd be leery of deleting anything until you know for certain just what is duplicated and where. Depending on your import settings things may not be as clear as they might seem.
So it would seem you still need to make a decision iPhoto or Aperture. To get you thinking Aperture is clearly the more advanced program from both the standpoints of image management and image adjustment. It also has a hefty learning curve and places more demand on your hardware.
iPhoto has been around a long time and seems to fit the needs of most casual shooters. It has some nicer consumer oriented features as far as themes for slideshows and books and in the image printing end, postcards and letter paper and such. Some of these features would still be accessible to you if you were using Aperture via the media browser.
Hope this helps.

Browsing Behavior: iPhoto vs Aperture

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