Bug or Feature? Minimized Windows and Exposé

I've recently noticed some very strange behavior when I use exposé with windows minimized and applications hidden.
When applications are hidden, their windows do not appear in exposé, which seems reasonable.
But windows that were minimized before hiding the application continue to appear in exposé even while they are not shown in the dock.
Is this normal behavior? It's irking the **** out of me.

supersolenoid wrote:
I've recently noticed some very strange behavior when I use exposé with windows minimized and applications hidden.
When applications are hidden, their windows do not appear in exposé, which seems reasonable.
But windows that were minimized before hiding the application continue to appear in exposé even while they are not shown in the dock.
Is this normal behavior? It's irking the **** out of me.
yes, it's normal behavior. minimized windows show up in exposé but are smaller than non minimized windows. Personally, I like it that way. and when you choose the option to minimize to the application this is the easiest way to unminimize them. but if you are not happy with this you can send apple feedback on the issue
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

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Hey Jim,
thanks for the support. Seems to be something Apple has to work on. There are some posts and questions about the bin window in every forum I know but there is never a "this is not want we want and there are bugs" - thread. In fact the whole Logic 8 structure with the one-window-gui is great and works much better than I expected. So it is no general "what the **** are they doing"-thing
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Message was edited by: Axel Rohrbach

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supersolenoid wrote:
I've recently noticed some very strange behavior when I use exposé with windows minimized and applications hidden.
When applications are hidden, their windows do not appear in exposé, which seems reasonable.
But windows that were minimized before hiding the application continue to appear in exposé even while they are not shown in the dock.
Is this normal behavior? It's irking the **** out of me.
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

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That is Expose displaying all the windows of your SELECTED app. On Snow Leopard you had the option to view ALL the windows of ALL the currently running apps, including the finder.
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