Burn Tool: Protect Tones checkbox has no effect

Deleting this question. I was trying to darken an area of highlights that had too little color to protect, which is why the burned area was appearing grey.

>CS4 added "Protect Tones" to the Dodge and Burn tools with very little explanation about what it does, yet the default setting is Protect Tones on.
My Link was in answer to your question in that it tells you what "Protect Tones" DOES.
If you wish to turn it off, that is up to you but there is no Preference available to do that as far as I know be probably because the Photoshop engineers felt that using "Protect Tones" would benefit the User.

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In PS CS3 I had set up something very useful on my Wacom tablet. I had two buttons mapped to two different actions. They would do the following:
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CS4 added "Protect Tones" to the Dodge and Burn tools with very little explanation about what it does, yet the default setting is Protect Tones on. I don't like the effect of Protect Tones.
Is there a way to change the default, short of creating a tool preset?
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>CS4 added "Protect Tones" to the Dodge and Burn tools with very little explanation about what it does, yet the default setting is Protect Tones on.
My Link was in answer to your question in that it tells you what "Protect Tones" DOES.
If you wish to turn it off, that is up to you but there is no Preference available to do that as far as I know be probably because the Photoshop engineers felt that using "Protect Tones" would benefit the User.

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Don't think so. Those algorithms are built around the RGB color model as far as I know and there is no way to achieve the same result in other color modes. It may not be programmaticalyl and matehmatically impossible, but it's probably too complicated for a quick solution due to constant color space conversion math getting involved.
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By the way, I fully accept that my own definition of "shade" may be flawed.
I find the Burn tool to have a LOT of uses, and I usually tend to edit the pixels directly (rather than doing a bunch of layer combinations) but I don't think I understand your question well enough to offer particularly specific advice...
One thing I CAN say is that I always try to work very conservatively with the Burn and Dodge tools and gradually build up to I'm trying to accomplish, usually using soft brushes.
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