Busines rule in web form

Hi,
If I have a rule assigned to a web form that is 'Run on Save', can I stop it appearing in the list of available rules in the bottom left panel when I open the form?
Thanks
CD

If you setup task lists and "script" the process then you will find the user view changes and I'm fairly sure the rules in the lower left hand corner do not show.
You can still access them via the menus which can be necessary depending on your app.
Regards,
-John

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I am comparitively new to Hyperion Planning 9.3.1 and I have to design a web form in which I want to perform calculation in cells of the web form like adding subtraction of the values in the cells of the form.
As for my knowledge I need to design Business Rules for this and I am not sure how and where to define these rules in Hyperion Planning 9.3.1 version of Planning.
Can anyone help me solve this problem as soon as possible.
--XAT

For a simple in-sheet calculation like this, you might consider two other solutions:
1) Use a dynamic calc in your model to subtract the two items. As soon as the user saves the inputs, the results will be displayed, and there is no need to create a business rule, manage security for that rule, etc.
2) Use custom JavaScript. As soon as the user tabs out of the input cell they can see the results - even before the form saves.
With the business rule, you'll need to wait for the rule to run before the results can be displayed. It's somewhat like a stored procedure in a relational database. But there are other options.
Hope this helps,
- Jake

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In Planning, I've created a composite web form. Although I've selected the "Use Members on Data Form" box in the business rule properties with in the composite form, when I launch the rule the prompt box doesn't show the division that is represented on the current form, it pre-populates the last division that was used when launching a business rule in a normal web form. This works just fine when I'm in a normal web form, just not a composite. Any ideas of what might be going on? Is there a setting somewhere that I'm missing?

I would be careful using business rules in composite forms. There are a bit unstable as composite forms are quite buggy. What you can do is try to apply the 9.3.1.1.8 patch release and see if this does not resolve your issues. This patch covers alot of bugs in 9.3.1 (which I assume is your version) including business rules stability with composite forms and substitution variable usage. Hope this helps point you in the right direction.
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NetRetryCount and netRetryInterval error in Hyperion Planning web form

User is getting this error when trying to save data on a web form. The error happens intermittenly and on different forms. It is difficult to pinpont the problem, as it does not happen consistently on the same form and as the administrator, I have never been able to replcate if on my computer and under the admin role. It actually causes the Hyperion Planning service to crash and we have to restart the service. The most recent time this occurred there was a rule that was running on save. We have removed the run on save for now. Does anyone know what setting need to be adjusted to eliminate this error?

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Lost Page on when you should use MVC vs when you should use web forms

I read a page last week. I think it was on MSDN. It was talking about the relative merits of MVC and web forms. However, unlike the page http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd381412.aspx,
which merely states the advantages and disadvantages of each format, this page went on to state something like:
You should use MVC:
when building web apps that do this
when you web app needs that
when you are doing the other
You should use web forms:
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when your web app does this.
Does anyone know the page to which I am referring?
(Oh and since when did it become impossible to paste anything into a question or reply block in MSDN forums. This makes it very difficult to paste in page links.)
Also I am not seeing an appropiate forum in my forums dropdown list. So if a moderator wants to move it to the right forum I would appreciate it.
Edward R. Joell MCSD MCDBA

@Darnie Graceline Selvamary Thangalazar
The first link is not what I was looking for as it tells the difference between MVC and Web Forms but not which is better for what.
The second link does get more into which is better in certain situations but doesn't really analyze each type of project and specify that this is good for web forms and this is good for MVC. However, it does provide some ways to analyze if your
"situation" would be best served by using web forms and which would be best served by using MVC.
It specified that if reaction time is an issue then MVC is the answer. This is good because with our excruciatingly slow network we need apps that take inherantly as little time as possible to load.
I took another look at the link provided by gaurav. Turns out that link has a link to an article by Dino Espisito which actually has the statement that I referred to above i.e. if your app has a lot of busines data. After two years, that
is as much as I remember of that page. So in fact indirectly gaurav found the page I was looking for.
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I'm using Planning v11.1.2, and I am trying to get a business rule to run from a Composite web form. The version and entity are the only prompts in the business rule, and they are shared globally on the component forms. If I put the business rule on the component forms, it doesn't even make an attempt to run on save. If I put it on the composite form, it attempts to run, but fails ("An error occurred while processing this page. Check the log for details."
Shouldn't business rules be able to run from composite forms? If not, why is the option to put them in there? If so, does anyone have any insight into this problem?
Thanks,
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Thanks John, but unfortunately, neither one of those is my issue. The first says I can't have the business rule on the base form if I have it on the composite form. The rule is not on the base form, and it still won't run on the composite form. The second one I don't understand at all. The symptom "Business Rules are not running with composite data forms when the 'Run on Save' option is checked". The cause "The Business Rule is not running when it is run from a base form." Huh? This is a cause? The solution: "You need to attach the Business Rule to the composite form, not just the base form." This would seem to indicate that I have to have the rule on both the base form and the composite form. It doesn't work no matter which way I set it up.
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I have HBR which is attachhed to a Web form. HBR runs on form save and I have checked it to hide prompt in properties.
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If you would like to use the global variable - Edit the global variables used in the business rule and enter valid default member values for the hidden runtime prompts used by the business rule.
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Support for Dynamic POV Member Lists in Web Data Forms
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Kind Regards.

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Hyperion Planning Web Forms slow

Hi All,
We are using Planning 9.3.1 and while opening web forms in the system which is just a simple form it takes too long time to open it. Can anyone suggest some ways to make opening of the web forms fast.
Thanks...

It may not be a bad idea for a few of us to get enhancement requests in asking for better support for larger forms -- seems it has to be a Planning issue as if you do the same type of activity in an Essbase lock/send it's lightning fast.
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