Busines service and Party

Hi Frnds,
1) We Must define business service in party
2) We can communicate with one business system with Business service
3) when we are having true business systems can we go with service without party ( A2A)
4) What is meant by Party . Is it used within the Company or It is used to communicate between different companies.

> We Must define business service in party
We create party when two diff co. will communicate.
>when we are having true business systems can we go with service without party ( A2A)
If you have Business systems then u have to go with B. Sys and need to configure in SLD
>What is meant by Party . Is it used within the Company or It is used to communicate between different companies.
It is used b/w diff companies.

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business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example.

Hi
business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/frameset.htm
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refers to link
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