Business Area v/s Profit Center

Hi Friends,
Can some body tell me the major differences between a Business Area and a Profit Center
or pls send me to mail i .e [email protected]
Thanking u,
Siva S.

Hello,
Business area is higher in hierarchy compared to Profit center. A business area can have multiple PCs assigned to it.
Business area is used for reporting for internal -management accounting purpose. Financial statements for internal purposes can be drawn for BA just as for Co Cd for external and auditory purpose.
Profit center are operation entities and lower in hierarchy, have a person reponsible and many cost centers can be assigned to one PC. It is used only for statistical purpose.Profit center data canbe rolled up to BA data.
Also see:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/02/30793485231774e10000009b38f83b/frameset.htm
Thanks,
Sourabh

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We mainly use HR, but we use some FI/CO for accounting. (I am no expert in FI/CO whatsoever - so please excuse any incorrect terms).
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Please check these notes
Note 606933 OKEON: Business area is no required entry field
Note 506308 OKEON: Business area financial statement prevents change
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Profit Center have associated distribution rules and are linked to G/L account or a transaction at the row level.
You could do this. Create a UDF in the BP Master to enter the profit Center information.
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 SELECT T0.U_PC FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]

Set it to Auto Refresh on Item Code ....check Display Saved Values
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SELECT T0.U_PC1 FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]
UNION ALL
SELECT T0.U_PC2 FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]

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