Business area Vs profit centre

hi,
can any one tell me what are the main differences between business area and profit centre.

Hi Shanker
Business areas are used in external segment reporting (over and above company codes) based on the significant areas of operation (for example, a particular region, a branch, product lines) of a business enterprise. Financial statements from business-area wise cannot be drawn up for commercial and tax law. Business area reports (e.g balance sheets and income statements for specific area) are used only for internal reporting purposes.
Profit Centres on the other hand are internal areas of a company that the responsibility for achieving target profits or productivity goals.
The objective of BA is more for reporting purpose whereas PC allows to analyse areas of reponsibility & to delegate reponsibility to decentralised units.
Thus PC are basically treated as companies within a company & ensures effective control.
I hope this helpls.
Regards
Kavitha
Edited by: Kavitha Emani on Aug 6, 2008 5:20 PM

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My ex-company used to use BA for reporting, and subsequently they moved over to PCA.... with minimal impact of course.
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Please tell me difference between profit center and business areas. If reporting can be done using both of them in similar fashion, why can't only one of them be used, instead of using both of them?
There should be a logical distinction between them, please explain that.
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A

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1. Main distinguishing factor is that Distribution or assessment within profit center can be done for allocation of overheads.
No such allocation functionality is possible within Business area.
2. Hierarchical structure for profit center can be created.
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3. Business area does not need to be attached to any organization structure.
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6. Business area concept is used for making strategic decisions by the management whereas the primary purpose of profit center is accounting.
7. PCA would be much more suitable. You may need some derivation rules for Populating Profit centers, but it would be much more easier than using Business area and reconciling FI-CO on monthly basis.
8. The main difference between profit centers and business areas is that profit centers are used for internal management whereas business areas are geared more towards external purposes.
9. Business area satisfies accounting purpose while Profit Center satisfies CO purpose.
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Hi Frnds,
Can any body explain about difference between business area and profit center accounting .

Hi
Business area will have many profit centers. For example Vehicle is a business area in a company. Vehicle can be cars and Bikes etc. Here Vehicle is business area and Cars and Bike are profit centers. In broad Vehicle is a profit center. But as it has sub areas those are profit centers. So profit centers cannot be replaced with business area and vice versa. We can replace business area by Profit centre, only condition is that it should be in same controlling area. The business area is more like a business unit of a company. You can have multiple profit centers within a business area.
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