Business process and sub process in CUP & ERM

Hi,
We have created Business Processes and Sub- Processes in ERM. But we are not able to view the same when we create a request in CUP.
We have created the Business Processes and Sub- Processes for CUP in Roles -Attributes.These were then visible in the request.
Do we need to create the Processes and Sub-processes independently in both ERM and CUP or should it flow into CUP when roles are imported into CUP from ERM ?
Thanks and Regards.

Another important point:
In CUP, Sub Processes are optional, in ERM they are mandatory.
Please make sure you have some in CUP for all your processes.
Frank.

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Business Process and sub Process IN ERM and CUP

Hi Friends,
We are in intial stage of GRC implimentation. Now I am uploading the roles into ERM and CUP. I have defined business processes and sub processes for the roles and upload the roles successfully in ERM. But when I am doing the same excercise in CUP especially during creation of sub process it is not allowing the charecter "-" in the name space.
E.g. Business process name is EHS-SM (Uploaded to CUP)
Sub process name is EHS-SM1.1 (not allowing to create in CUP wher as successfully created in ERM)
My question is
1. why it allows me to do the same thing in ERM but not in CUP.
2. Is there any way to maintain the name with chaecter "-".
For your information I am in the phase of defining the attributes for the roles.
Thanks & Regards,
Satyabrat
Edited by: Sunil Varghese on Oct 28, 2009 10:59 AM
Edited by: Sunil Varghese on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM

Hi all,
I will have a hard time ahead with BP and SBP. all are in the same format. I dont think my company will agree to change the name of there BP or SBP because they are thousands in count and also there is no other way around in GRC,
Let give me a try...
Thanks Guys for your support and time.

AR process and Sub process documentation

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I am working on AR process and sub process Can any one please mail me the documentation / links on
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Manual invoicing (where there is no SD invoice)
Direct debit Process,
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Remittance advice/ payment advice,
Debit Not process & credit note process
Electronic Bank Statements
User exits (on payment advice)
Credit managment process
Points will be awarded accordingly
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I would suggest reading the pdf files from Siemens.
you can also find some files in www.easymarketplace.de
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How the invocation between process and sub-process work?

As I have read throught some posts here and know that the web service whicn is used to trigger the process is asynchronous.
so is the invocation between process and its sub-process asynchronous using web service?
supposed there is a process like below:
Start Event -
>Sub-Process ->Automated Task-->EndEvent
I have some confused questions:
1: is it asyn to invoke the subprocess?
2: if the invocation is asyn, is the next "Automated Task" triggerred before the completion of the nested subprocess? It seems to be, but it is not so reasonable.
3: if the invocation is asyn, how the process get the return value of the nested subprocess?

Hi John,
the invocation of sub-processes is done via an internal runtime mechanism and not via normal Web Service call.
The sub-process call is synchronous, so the calling process is waiting for the reply from the sub-process. There are a few things to keep in mind when using sub-processes:
If you are branching off parallel execution paths (via a split gateway) within the sub-process and are using a regular end event, only the first token arriving at the end event will return to the calling process. The sub-process will keep running until either the last of its tokens flows into the end event or until the calling process is being terminated. In any case, the calling process will not react to any more tokens arriving at the sub-processes end event.
If you are using parallelism within the sub-process, but want it to terminate once the first token arrives the end, use a terminating end event in the sub-process.
Don't use the correlation condition at the start event of a sub-process. If this condition evaluates to 'false', the sub-process will never be started, but the calling process will wait forever for a reply.
If you want the sub-process call to behave asynchronously, you can model the sub-process to split off a token to the execution path where it does the actual work and have another straight path directly from the split gateway to the (non-terminating) end event. That way the calling process will continue right away, but of course you cannot expect any response coming out of the sub-process.
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Eric,
No for us we have a generic BPEL error handling process where we are dynamically retiring the calling process. I got the Java API to dynamically retire the main calling process. But my main goal is to retire all the sub process that the main calling process calls as well.
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Concept of Sub Process and Starter Process in BPEL

Hi Forum -
With my limited understanding of BPEL I have found that if a process has to interact with another process it has to be exposed as a service however that is not good in all cases.
Is there a way in BPEL where once can create a process and do not expose it as service and still be able to call it from another BPEL process.
For example there can be a process called sendNotification and all the other processes if they want to send a notification can call this process.
In TIBCO there is a concept of Starter Process and Sub Process. A Starter Process is a process which will wait for an event to take place, like a web service request or a JMS message or a database adapter event and then this main process can call a sub process, just like the main program calling a function. This sub process need not be defined as a service in TIBCO and it can still accept an xml schema type as input.
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10g -> Every process is a service.
11g -> Create a Composite, You could wire multiple BPEL Components and expose only the desired ones as a service through a mediator or directly the bpel. Mediator provide one more layer of virtualization and hides even the first master bpel component.
But if the send notification have to be reused outside the composite, it has to be an exposed service. Although it is exposed as a web service, it uses only WSIF binding to interact between bpel processes and not a soap binding(unless specifically instructed).
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Transaction and Process or sub-Process Automation

I am undertaking a market survey of business process and in particular transaction or sub process automation in the SAP landscape. I am particularly interested in talking to SAP users who are operationally focused or people who are involved in business analysis or operations sustainment roles. The format of the interviews is one-on-one phone or face to face conversations lasting 30 minutes to 1 hour and will be your opportunity to tell me about methods and tools that you use to automate transactions and sub processes, why you do this and perhaps some of the gaps you see in the tools available. Participants in the survey will have the benefit of receiving summaries of the findings of the surveys as well as other research discoveries. If you are interested in participating then please contact me.

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Thanks & regards,
Shanmugam Balamurugan

Hi,
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But I think I did not express my mind clearly.
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Using CREATE PROCESS and START PROCESS in a JSP

Hi,
I have built a simple JSP page. I want to call my workflow program from this page.
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And what is the technical difference between the two in terms of PI perspective?
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My question is now answered.
[https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/70a25d3a-e4fa-2a10-43b5-b4169ba3eb17]
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JHeadstart, Oracle Business Rules and BPEL Process Manager

Dear JHeadstart Team,
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