Business service or Business system??

Hello All,
I do get confused with respect to Business service and Business system?? What differentiates between them and when accordingly are they used??
If I am using a HTTP adapter to connect to a URL address of a 3rd party system, what would be my steps in Intergration directory involve?? I get lost in receiver determinations and interface determinations and their purpose...
Thanks,
Kenneth

Hi Ken,
Basically business service will be used only for published services and not those which have a physical landscape set up. If there is a physical landscape available then we go for business systems.
Receiver determinations talk abt the receivers available for an outbound interface and interface determination tell you abt the interfaces ( both outbound and inbound) in play and their mapping pgm involved.
Hope this was helpful and any add ons are also welcomed.
- Teresa

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Business service and business system

Can someone please tell me what is the difference between business service and business system and in which cases are they used respectively?

Hi,
Business System
Business System have an entry in the SLD and Buiness Service do not.
Business Systems are used when you are sending data to and from an R3 system and can be of ABAP, JAVA and Third Party Types.
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business Service :
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation.
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Satya

Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.

Hi to all,
I want to know the best practice for using Business Service and Business System, Then
When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory? Can any one give me suggestion for me .
Thanks,
Vikram.C.

Hi Vikram,
>>Business System: It represent a specific application System in the SLD.
Business Service: It represents an abstract service and are used in Cross Company Process.
>>When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory?
Its purely used in the Cross Company Process, i.e. whenever you are communicating with external system.
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Business Services and Business System

What is deffrence between Business Services and Business System. Which type do I have to choose for File,JDBC,SOAP Receiver/Sender?

Hi Denis,
Please go through this link, it has all:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7d/6b82cd0d1aef48ab5953524c9cc5b2/content.htm
Choice depends on which form of integration your are doing. Service is a Abstract unit for adressing senders or receivers. It is used mainly for test purposes.
But in real time the data can come from any system in the landscape, therefore they all should be in your SLD.
Sceanrios involving these third party of other SAP systems need to use Business System in their integration scenarios.
I hope if it helps, you'll give me points )
Thanks & Regards,
Varun Joshi

Difference between business service and business system in SLD

hi all,
i m very new to XI. can anybody tell me that what is the basic difference between Business Service and Business Systems?
Is it necessary to use them? and if yes then when to use what?
Thanx.
Regards,
Kunjal......

Hi Kunjal,
In SAP XI every system in your landscape with which you are interfacing is defined as Service.
The service can be your Business service or Business system.
Generally SAP systems are referred to Business system and you define them in the SLD before you import them.
The Business service is a logical name referring to any system in your landscape.
To communicate with any third party application you need to create communication channels which are associated to your service.
More about this here:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7d/6b82cd0d1aef48ab5953524c9cc5b2/content.htm
Regards
Vijaya

Advantage and diff btw Business service n business system

hi,
can anyone tell me the relevance n usage and importance of business system and business service,
mean when do business service and business systems comes into picture respectively,
thanks,
pratibha

Hi Pratibha,
You genrally create a business system for systems which are part of your system landscape, or else you create business service.
Business Service is created for abstract systems, for example there might be a company which is part of your XI scenario, but their system is not part of your landscape however they ave provided you their interfaces, in this case u will be using a business service.
For example
i have scenario where i have to pick data from mainframe(FILE) and post it to R/3 through XI. Then i would create a business system for R/3 and a business service for the file system.
For business service you will have to assign the inbound and outbound interfaces in ID explicitly unlike for a business system.
Pls go through these too:
Business system: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7b/d4653fd1d3b81ae10000000a114084/content.htm
Business service: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/fe/131eb4ef2fb344abf471c9eac0063a/content.htm
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Ashish

Which situation we will use Business Service, and Business System?

Hi SAP XI Professionals ,
Can U plz tell me What is Business Service and Business System? when we need to use Business Service? what is diff between B.System and B. service?
thank You
with regards
jai

HI,
Please see the below links
Differentiate b/w Technical System, Business System and Business Service
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Difference between Business System and Business Service
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Chilla..

Diff between Business service and Business System?

HI Experts,
Pls let me know wht is the difference between business service and business system??
when we will have to go for business service and when for business system??
thnx in advance..
New XI

Hi,
Difference between Business Service and Business System are :
1) Business sytem require all details like login user id
password require to create but in case of business service
log in details does not require..
2) A Business System is purely for SAP-Systems and
Business Service for Non-SAP systems
3) Business service refers to any business applications where
as the business system is defined in SLD(System Landscape
Directory)
4) When we have full details of application system the we are
going to use the business system and it is created in the
SLD so we dont have authorization to change the business
system name.
When we have partial details or no details of Technical
system then we r going to use the business service. it is
created in the ID. we can see and change it.
5) A Business system is something that physically exists
For example, if u want to download a file from a system
ABC, by using file adapter and then want to update the
content of this file into r/3 database by using RFc,then
the system abc and the r/3 will be ur business systems
i.e. they physically exists. Business Systems are
configured in SLD.
Business service is mostly usedin B2B Scenario (cross-
component),where you don't know the Business System of your
partner. In other words business Service will be used only
for those partners which do not have a physical landscape
set up . Business servces do not have an entry in SLD.
6) A Business Service is an Abstract Unit(which is not in
System Landscape Directory) addressing Senders and
Receivers of Messages.
Physicals systems which use their communication channels
and routing rules to communicate with other systems are
called as Application Systems OR physical systems.
7) In simple when u going for A2A integration then we define
our Technical systems are Business system. If we r going
for B2B integration then we dont know the complete
information about the other end Business Landscape so, we
configure it as a Business Services. Business system are
created at SLD. Where as a Business Services are created at
Integration Directory.
8) Business systems:
These are logical senders or receivers that exchange
messages by using the Integration Server and that are
entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory
relate to a system landscape. The business systems of
business partners are therefore not entered in the System
Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business
partners logically, use communication components in the
Integration Directory. A business system is a way of
specifying a communication component in the Integration
Directory more precisely (business system component).
Hope this will hwlp u..
Regds,
Pinangshuk.

Reg. the Business Service and Business System(Integration Directory).

Hi,
I have a small doubt reg. the Business Service and Business System. When do we need to go for creating a Business Service AND a Business System? I want to know the difference b/w them and the usage of a Business Service as compared to a Business System. Generally I create Business Systems in my configuration scinerioes. Could anybody pl. clarify on this?
Regards,
Murthy

Murthy,
It's been already discussed so many times, Juz give a search option in the thread, you will find a lot.
Anyhow,Please refer the below threads.
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
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Best regards,
raj.

Business Service and Business scenario

Hi,
Does Business Service and Business scenario are alike ?
Rgds,sofia

hi,
Business System : is a logical entity assigned to a Technical System in a SLD
Business Service: is an Abstract entity without having assigned to a Technical System in a SLD
for more:
Business System: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/content.htm
Business Service: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/content.htm
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Sanjo
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Business Service and logical system naming criteria across environments

Hi !
Imagine this scenario: File-XI-IDOC. There is a file server where files are uploaded by a legacy application. XI polls that directory, converts the file to IDOC and sends it to R/3.
R/3 is a production business system, for example "R3_PROD", the file server is a business SERVICE, because of its abstract nature.
Is it ok to give that business service a name such as "BS_FileServer" and then create the logical system "LS_FileServer" in R/3, to be able to receive IDOCs from the sender business service?
If we need to use 3 different file servers, one for development, one for test and another for production...is it ok to create the business service in each integration directory with SAME name, and the 3 logical systems with same name in each R/3 receiver...because creating business services as "BS_FileServer_DEV", "BS_FileServer_TEST" and "BS_FileServer_PROD" we imagine that could give us problems when transporting scenarios from dev to test, and from test to prod...because we will need to recreate the whole scenario using the new object denomination.. e.g. a scenario including BS_FileServer_DEV in development is called BS_FileServer_TEST in test..or worse..we could have the BS object transported and as a result we would have a BS_FileServer_DEV object in integration directory of our test environment...
Is this the right path?
Thanks,
Matias.

Hey,
When a technical system is defined for a product / s/w comp version we also enter the parameter for logical system name. If a buisness system is defined for a technical system then it in turns refers to the technical system with buisness system assigned to it.
Itz lyk linkage of PRODUCT -> S/W COM VERSION -> TECHNICAL SYSTEM (LOGICAL SYSTEM) -> BUSINESS SYSTEM
As per file to idoc scenario where BUSINESS SERVICE is used it doesn't refer to technical landscape so there is no question of Business system. With relevance to transports.
With File -XI-Idoc scenario the concept of logical system only comes into picture if we have a integration process also involved in the scenario. Where in adapter specific identifiers we specify the logical system name of the sender file system.
Integration Repository.
1) The Software Component version need to be same in all the landscapes that is a prerequisite else transport will fail.
Integration Directory:
2) Assuming that transport is being done for all the objects under a service and the objects has been transported to the test landscape business service with same name will be create in test sys only address and access parameters that have to be entered again and the change list has to be activated.
I haven't tried exporting individual object from ID so no clue.
Please refer the following link<a href="http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/93/a3a74046033913e10000000a155106/frameset.htm">Transporting XI Objects</a> .
Hope itz helpfull.
Cheers,
*RAJ*
*REWARD POINTS IF FOUND USEFULL*

Business System or Business Service for ORACLE system

Hi all
We are creating a configuration scenario which includes a oracle database as receiver .Please clarify me whether to create a Business System or Business Service for the oracle system.
Full Points will be awarded
Thanks and Regards
Uday

Hi,
We use Business system when we know the SLD Details(PRD,SWCV & TS)
We will use Business Service when we dont know the SLD details and we know Partially
We can create the Business system in SLD
We can create the Business service in ID itself
Difference between Business System and Business Service
So Decide your self now to create the Business system OR Business Service
REgards
Seshagiri

About business service and business system

before,i used business service.
i can add inbound and outbound interface at sender tab page and receiver tab page of business service entry in ID.
now,i am using business system.
i can not add inbound and outbound interface at sender tab page and receiver tab page of business system entry in ID.
i am confused.
my swcv design.like this: A_, AND I_ .
I_ depends A_. that is: A_ swcv contains same namesapce with I_ swcv in "basis object" entry.
i want to use the interface of A_ swcv instead of I_ swcv.
but i can only find out the interface of I_ swcv on the sender tab page and receiver tab page of business system entry in ID.
actually, i want to use the interface of A_ swcv. intead of the interface of I_ swcv.
how can i make it?

- In SLD while creating the BusinessSystem, the I_SWCV is assigned to it. That is the reason you can able to see the interface of I_SWCV. Assign the A_SWCV to the Business System in SLD, you can able to see interfaces of that too.
Assign the A_SWCV to the Business System .
i wanna find out the interface of "basis object" of A_SWCV. but i can not.
may be since it is not really within A_SWCV of the interface of "basis object" of A_SWCV.
actually. it is within I_SWCV.
you got me?
is that so?

Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference

Hi Experts,
Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system
(service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software
component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
configuring internal company processes.
Business Systems are Logical Senders or Receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration
Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The Business Systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The Business Systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape
Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in
the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies
involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
configuring cross-company processes.
In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
Business services are used in cross-company processes, for example, if the parties involved have only
published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
Using a Business Service,we can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved
and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
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Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
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Regards,
Vinod.

Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!

Hi all,
I send a file from filesystem to XI which inturn converted to IDOC and posted to SAP system. Filesystem i've added as a business system(which has a logical system in R/3).
now i've added the filesystem as a business service(assinged to a party). So if send the file i'm getting the error as "Unable to convert sender service to an ALE logical system".
How can i resolve this problem?
can we assign the business service a logical system name ?(as business system)
What could be the procedure for processing this kind of b2b scenario where we dont have information about systems or sevices in SLD?
Thanks in advance for your replies........
Santhosh.

Hi just check this Bolg for Help
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions
Ques.3
Or refer to this link
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
if u want to learn more bout
How to configure Idoc adapters
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d19fe210-0d01-0010-4094-a6fba344e098
reward if helpful
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Sachin Dhingra
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