Business Services in BPM

HI,
I have seen that all the examples related to BPM are using Business Services. Why cant we use Business Systems to send/receive messages?
Priya

Priya,
You can use Business Systems and Business Services Interchangeably. it not not mandatory that you use a Business Service with BPM's.
Maybe you have seen beginner blogs and to make things simple they would have used Business Services.
To understand difference between Business Service and Business System search on the XI forums with "Business Service Business System" and you will find many threads on XI. It is a widely discusses topic.
Regards
Bhavesh

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Is it like
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 <ProductExpDate/>
 <ProductID/>
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 </ns0:Message2>
Thanks & Regards,
Farooq Farooqui

Yes now I achived it...
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<ProductManufaturingDate/>
<ProductExpDate/>
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can someone tell me the business services used for each of the communication channels and their inbound outbound interfaces for Arpit Seth's blog file to rfc synchronous scenario
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RFC Scenario using BPM --Starter Kit
Edited by: pratichi chauhan on Aug 19, 2008 9:12 AM

Hi,
In the RFC Service, Add the Standard Idoc's Message Inetrface name at Receiver TAB only
that all
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https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/wiki?path=/display/xi/file-rfc-file%28without+bpm%29&
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Edited by: N V Seshagiri on Aug 19, 2008 10:11 AM

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Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference

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Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
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the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
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involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
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In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
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published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
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and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
Business service or Business system??
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process
Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
business system and business service
Diff b/w Business service & Business System?
Regards,
Vinod.

Business Services development with jDeveloper

We are making use of the Business Services feature in JDE to expose business functions as web services, that's great and working.
we have one problem with jDeveloper during development.
we can create a new business service from OMW in JDE and invoke jDev from there, that's fine.
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then we can publish the code as J2EE web service, that works as well.
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Parties, Business Systems and Business Services

Hi guys,
I've read a lot about items in subject, but have some doubts about applying them to my scenario. I have to integrate SAP system and web service.
As far as I understand concepts, this is B2B communication, so I have to use parties. To represent SAP system I use Business System, as it's described ins SLD, and for Web service I use Business Service... just as we use business services for web services
--- Am I right here? Will it work ok in reciever determination, agreement?
Thank you.

Hi,
You are doing the usage of business systems and services in proper way.
The scenario will difinately work with combination of business system and service.
It will be fine for all other configurations such as Receiver Determination, Sender/receiver agreements and interface determination etc.
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A business system
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You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
A business service
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
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Unable to Check in Business Services in JDE DEMO.

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