Business System and Business Service

Hi,
A lot of confusion in this situation .When we will go for a Business System.. and When we will choose Business Service...we are using some SAP systems only.. even though we are configuring those as a business services...
can any one clarrify some clearly..
Thanks
babu

URL
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/fe/131eb4ef2fb344abf471c9eac0063a/frameset.htm and then navigate back up the tree to the Service heading
I have provided an excerpt from the documentation
Business System
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
Business Service
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.

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Parties, Business Systems and Business Services

Hi guys,
I've read a lot about items in subject, but have some doubts about applying them to my scenario. I have to integrate SAP system and web service.
As far as I understand concepts, this is B2B communication, so I have to use parties. To represent SAP system I use Business System, as it's described ins SLD, and for Web service I use Business Service... just as we use business services for web services
--- Am I right here? Will it work ok in reciever determination, agreement?
Thank you.

Hi,
You are doing the usage of business systems and services in proper way.
The scenario will difinately work with combination of business system and service.
It will be fine for all other configurations such as Receiver Determination, Sender/receiver agreements and interface determination etc.
Please see below the importance of Parties, Business Systems and Business Services
A communication party
A communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.
You can assign a communication party one or more services to address it as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
A business service
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Thanks
Swarup

Which situation we will use Business Service, and Business System?

Hi SAP XI Professionals ,
Can U plz tell me What is Business Service and Business System? when we need to use Business Service? what is diff between B.System and B. service?
thank You
with regards
jai

HI,
Please see the below links
Differentiate b/w Technical System, Business System and Business Service
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service in ID
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Business system ans service
How can I create a Service in the Business System?
advantage and diff btw Business service n business system
Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!
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Chilla..

What is difference between ESB Service and ESB Service Group

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The use of these is explained in the ESB developers guide along with some examples in what case to use them. See: http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B31017_01/integrate.1013/b28211/esb_jdev.htm#sthref167

Homesite 5.0-5.5 and Customer Service sucks balls!!!

It is obvious that Adobe does not look through their own
Forum Message board crap, as they requested for me to go for
support. If so, they would have answers to the questions that I
would need; in which I see ppl having the same problem as I do back
2006. (So I would like to say your system and Customer service is
B.S).
Okay to my problem:
What I want to do is have Homesite 5.5 installed on my new
machine from our old machine. One of the problem is that the serial
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Anyways, sorry for giving somewhat the long version of my
issue. I just want to know if anyone had the same issue and figure
a way around this.
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Folks, I'm sorry to hear of your bad experiences both with
installation and support. I'll make one point of clarification: I
don't think Adobe ever promises to provide support themselves in
the forums. Rather, the forums are watched by experienced users
(some formally, some informally) who try to answer questions when
they can.
In this case, since you're having licensing issues, I've not
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Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference

Hi Experts,
Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system
(service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software
component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
configuring internal company processes.
Business Systems are Logical Senders or Receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration
Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The Business Systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The Business Systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape
Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in
the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies
involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
configuring cross-company processes.
In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
Business services are used in cross-company processes, for example, if the parties involved have only
published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
Using a Business Service,we can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved
and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
Business service or Business system??
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process
Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
business system and business service
Diff b/w Business service & Business System?
Regards,
Vinod.

Business Service and logical system naming criteria across environments

Hi !
Imagine this scenario: File-XI-IDOC. There is a file server where files are uploaded by a legacy application. XI polls that directory, converts the file to IDOC and sends it to R/3.
R/3 is a production business system, for example "R3_PROD", the file server is a business SERVICE, because of its abstract nature.
Is it ok to give that business service a name such as "BS_FileServer" and then create the logical system "LS_FileServer" in R/3, to be able to receive IDOCs from the sender business service?
If we need to use 3 different file servers, one for development, one for test and another for production...is it ok to create the business service in each integration directory with SAME name, and the 3 logical systems with same name in each R/3 receiver...because creating business services as "BS_FileServer_DEV", "BS_FileServer_TEST" and "BS_FileServer_PROD" we imagine that could give us problems when transporting scenarios from dev to test, and from test to prod...because we will need to recreate the whole scenario using the new object denomination.. e.g. a scenario including BS_FileServer_DEV in development is called BS_FileServer_TEST in test..or worse..we could have the BS object transported and as a result we would have a BS_FileServer_DEV object in integration directory of our test environment...
Is this the right path?
Thanks,
Matias.

Hey,
When a technical system is defined for a product / s/w comp version we also enter the parameter for logical system name. If a buisness system is defined for a technical system then it in turns refers to the technical system with buisness system assigned to it.
Itz lyk linkage of PRODUCT -> S/W COM VERSION -> TECHNICAL SYSTEM (LOGICAL SYSTEM) -> BUSINESS SYSTEM
As per file to idoc scenario where BUSINESS SERVICE is used it doesn't refer to technical landscape so there is no question of Business system. With relevance to transports.
With File -XI-Idoc scenario the concept of logical system only comes into picture if we have a integration process also involved in the scenario. Where in adapter specific identifiers we specify the logical system name of the sender file system.
Integration Repository.
1) The Software Component version need to be same in all the landscapes that is a prerequisite else transport will fail.
Integration Directory:
2) Assuming that transport is being done for all the objects under a service and the objects has been transported to the test landscape business service with same name will be create in test sys only address and access parameters that have to be entered again and the change list has to be activated.
I haven't tried exporting individual object from ID so no clue.
Please refer the following link<a href="http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/93/a3a74046033913e10000000a155106/frameset.htm">Transporting XI Objects</a> .
Hope itz helpfull.
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Business service and business system

Can someone please tell me what is the difference between business service and business system and in which cases are they used respectively?

Hi,
Business System
Business System have an entry in the SLD and Buiness Service do not.
Business Systems are used when you are sending data to and from an R3 system and can be of ABAP, JAVA and Third Party Types.
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business Service :
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation.
Business Service and Business System difference:-
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Thanks,
Satya

What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?

Hi
Please tell me what is the difference between Business System and Business Service...? In real time at what situation we will use Business System and in what situations we will use Business Service..? Please help me
Best Regards
Ravi Shankar B

HI,
Business system:
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
Business Service:
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Regards,
Sudheer.

Difference between Business System and Business Service in ID

There are some tiny little doubts for a newbie which usually appear and we don't really have the answer.
We know that sometimes we two ways to implement a process, and it works for the two ways, but we not always understand why.
This was one of my doubts, what was the great difference between a Business System and a Business Service...?
Of course I had a tiny little idea but now I have the answer and maybe it will be useful to anyone who questioned about it...
A Business System is defined in the SLD and is used as sender and receiver in the ID. However in some cases, the details of the implementing application are not available(in a B2B communication, where the system belongs to a different company. A Business Service represents an abstract entity for adressing the senders and receivers of messages. Therefore, when using Business Servces, it is no longer necessary to define any Business Systems in the SLD.

Hi Goncalo,
one important difference is that a business service has no SLD entries and so also no assigned products/SWCVs. So the configuration in IB Directory can become uncomfortable if there a lot interfaces.
Regards,
Udo

Difference between Business system and Business service.

Hi All,
Can any one explain in detail difference between Business system and Business service.
As we commonly say, Business service is for those system which are not in our landscape.
Can any one explain in which particular scenarios we will go for Business Service.
Reg
Bapuraj

Hi Bapuraj,
Business System
Business system is a logical system, and there is an importance on physical existence of the system.Also SLD entry is required.
It is generally used for SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
Business Component(formerly Service)
You use a Business Component, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
Business Service is an Absract Unit with Sender and Receiver Interfaces,In this case you need to explicitly add the message interfaces while doing configuration in ID.
It is generally used for NON-SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
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Business Services and Business System

What is deffrence between Business Services and Business System. Which type do I have to choose for File,JDBC,SOAP Receiver/Sender?

Hi Denis,
Please go through this link, it has all:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7d/6b82cd0d1aef48ab5953524c9cc5b2/content.htm
Choice depends on which form of integration your are doing. Service is a Abstract unit for adressing senders or receivers. It is used mainly for test purposes.
But in real time the data can come from any system in the landscape, therefore they all should be in your SLD.
Sceanrios involving these third party of other SAP systems need to use Business System in their integration scenarios.
I hope if it helps, you'll give me points )
Thanks & Regards,
Varun Joshi

What is business systems and services?

Hi Experts,
What is business systems and services and where are they prefered? and tell me the diff between them...
Regards,
Mahakrishnan T.

Hi
Business System
1) Business system is a logical system, and there is an importance on physical existence of the system.
2) Also SLD entry is required.
3)It is generally used for SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
4)This is defined as part of the SLD and is a physical system whose parameters are well defined.
5(Business systems refers to the physical systems, for instance the R/3 system. You define the business systems in the SLD
Business Service
1) You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
2) Business Service is an Absract Unit with Sender and Receiver Interfaces,In this case you need to explicitly add the message interfaces while doing configuration in ID.
3) It is generally used for NON-SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
4) This is not defined as part of SLD and whose technical parameters are not completely known.
5)Business service is used when the message is not addressed to a business system. It is used mostly in B2B scenarios.
Regard's
Chetan Ahuja

Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process

Hi,
Can anyone tell me the difference between Business service, Business system and Business process?
Thanks,
Harikumar. S

Hi,
Business system
It is a logical system from a business point of view.
One or more logical systems that belong together from a business point of view is called a group of Business system group. A business system group represents a unit within a company or organization that can be defined according to legal, economic, administrative or geographic factors.
The objects in a business system group are uniquely identified by a uniform numbering system.
Business process
Business procedure within an enterprise that uses resources and can involve activites from a number of different cost centers in a controlling area.
When executing a business process, activities can be utilized for several cost centers of a controlling area.
Business service
Its a third party system.
All these belong to a Business Scenario which is
Description of the flow of business processes according to a business typology. A business scenario represents a template for a business process, which runs within a particular area of a company process. All processes required to completely process the task are listed in chronological order in the scenario. Business scenarios can be described graphically, in either aggregated or detailed form (EPC). Example: Direct sale to industrial recipient
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