Business system ans service
Hi,
I have a basic question regarding Business systems and Business Services.That is if there is a sender or receiver when should i use system and when service.What is the significant difference between them.
Regards,
Sudharshan.
hi,
have a look at this thread:
Difference between Business System and Business Service
(Stefan's answers)
Regards,
michal
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What is business systems and services?
Hi Experts,
What is business systems and services and where are they prefered? and tell me the diff between them...
Regards,
Mahakrishnan T.Hi
Business System
1) Business system is a logical system, and there is an importance on physical existence of the system.
2) Also SLD entry is required.
3)It is generally used for SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
4)This is defined as part of the SLD and is a physical system whose parameters are well defined.
5(Business systems refers to the physical systems, for instance the R/3 system. You define the business systems in the SLD
Business Service
1) You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
2) Business Service is an Absract Unit with Sender and Receiver Interfaces,In this case you need to explicitly add the message interfaces while doing configuration in ID.
3) It is generally used for NON-SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
4) This is not defined as part of SLD and whose technical parameters are not completely known.
5)Business service is used when the message is not addressed to a business system. It is used mostly in B2B scenarios.
Regard's
Chetan Ahuja -
Which situation we will use Business Service, and Business System?
Hi <b>SAP XI Professionals</b> ,
Can U plz tell me What is Business Service and Business System? when we need to use Business Service? what is diff between B.System and B. service?
thank You
with regards
jaiHI,
Please see the below links
Differentiate b/w Technical System, Business System and Business Service
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service in ID
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Business system ans service
How can I create a Service in the Business System?
advantage and diff btw Business service n business system
Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!
Regards
Chilla.. -
Parties, Business Systems and Business Services
Hi guys,
I've read a lot about items in subject, but have some doubts about applying them to my scenario. I have to integrate SAP system and web service.
As far as I understand concepts, this is B2B communication, so I have to use parties. To represent SAP system I use Business System, as it's described ins SLD, and for Web service I use Business Service... just as we use business services for web services
--- Am I right here? Will it work ok in reciever determination, agreement?
Thank you.Hi,
You are doing the usage of business systems and services in proper way.
The scenario will difinately work with combination of business system and service.
It will be fine for all other configurations such as Receiver Determination, Sender/receiver agreements and interface determination etc.
Please see below the importance of Parties, Business Systems and Business Services
A communication party
A communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.
You can assign a communication party one or more services to address it as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
A business service
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Thanks
Swarup -
Assign Business System in Integration Directory
Hi all,
i have basic question.
in my ID, there are some configuration scenarios.
for example, the left side look like,
in case,one of Business System created on SLD was assigned to one of configuration scenarios,
i would need to assign same business system into Business System in Service Without Party in another configuration scenarios, it was not possible to assign.
can i assign BS1 to several configuration scenarios?
or should i create Main scenario in order to define communication channel?
thanks in advance
venjaminHi venjamin
Yes, you can assign the same business system to different configuration scenarios.
to do this there are 2 ways.
1. Open the cofiguration scenario to which the business system has already been assigned.
Right Click on the Business System> Add to Scenario> Select the scenario to which you want to
assign your business system.
2. Select the objects tab>service without party> business system> your business system> right click-->
assign to scenario and then select your scenario.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
bhavesh
Message was edited by: Bhavesh Kantilal -
Not able to see the Business systems
Dear Experts,
Thanks for you support and help.
I have created as per the below sequence for both sender and receiver types wherever necessary
1. Software Product
2. Software Component -
3.Technical System - (Third party )
4. Business system (Sender and Receiver)
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/XI/CopyofFLATFILETOFLATFILE
imported the software compnent in IR and created Data Types, Message types etc and tested, it is working good.
I have created a Configuration Scenario, and tried to assign the business system in "Service Without Party", i was not able to see both the sender and receiver Business Systems which were already created and getting an error : service :Business systems not found
Do i need to change anything while creating Product, SW Component, Third Party Technical System and Busniess System..etc
Regards
BlueHi,
I think u r bussiness system is alredy assign to other scenario.If u assigned once it will not show in the list.U have to import the bussiness system not assign.In ID select 'Objects' it will show all the Bussiness system details.Selet u r business system and add to u r scenario.
Also refesh cache objects using SXI_CACHE and refesh obeject in ID.
In ID Go to ENVIRONMENT->select Clear SLD Cache
Then refresh the all objects.
Thanks
Ravi -
Not able to find business system
Guys ,
I am not able to find my business system in service without party -> business system in integration directory .Hi,
did you have a look at this:
Defining a Business System as a Service
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3e/60653f0c9fa075e10000000a114084/content.htm
BTW
but first you must create it in the SLD:
Configuring a Business System
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/ae/e3bd4f6b61e146ad1384954ecabb41/content.htm
and if you want to know how to insert a technical system you can take a look at my weblog:
Registering a new technical system in SLD - ABAP based
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/10/registering-a-new-technical-system-in-sld--abap-based
Regards,
michal
Message was edited by: Michal Krawczyk -
How to share a business system
Hi experts,
I'm using "Configuration:Integration Builder(sappidev_PID_00)". I want to assign business system under "Service without party" in my scenarios.
In step 3, I need select a business system, but
You cannot use business systems that already exist as a business service as a business system service
, so I must create a new business system?
In the sap in our company,I found some scenarios are using the same business system.
Thanks.Hi Mikenl,
To reuse the Business System, Right click and add the BS to the Scenario where you want to reuse it.
Regarding the client concept.. and Technical Systems....here it goes...
For each Business Systems we assign a Technical System.
When we create a TS we genarally make it as Third Party and can use this in many BS.
So Business System A and C both can be assigned the TS B.
There is no client that you need to create for third party TS.
For TS as ABAP we mention client which is the client number of the system that you are configuring.
Clients in SCC4 are created for different client logins in ABAP Stack of SAP PI and we generally never make any clients for Technical Systems.
For More details on Technical System check this link :
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/EN/45/da96eae5806f74e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
For more info on Business Systems you can see:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/EN/45/da96eae5806f74e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
I hope this will help
Cheers
Dhwani -
Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference
Hi Experts,
Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
SunilHi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system
(service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software
component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
configuring internal company processes.
Business Systems are Logical Senders or Receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration
Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The Business Systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The Business Systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape
Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in
the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies
involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
configuring cross-company processes.
In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
Business services are used in cross-company processes, for example, if the parties involved have only
published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
Using a Business Service,we can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved
and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
Business service or Business system??
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process
Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
business system and business service
Diff b/w Business service & Business System?
Regards,
Vinod. -
Business service or Business system??
Hello All,
I do get confused with respect to Business service and Business system?? What differentiates between them and when accordingly are they used??
If I am using a HTTP adapter to connect to a URL address of a 3rd party system, what would be my steps in Intergration directory involve?? I get lost in receiver determinations and interface determinations and their purpose...
Thanks,
KennethHi Ken,
Basically business service will be used only for published services and not those which have a physical landscape set up. If there is a physical landscape available then we go for business systems.
Receiver determinations talk abt the receivers available for an outbound interface and interface determination tell you abt the interfaces ( both outbound and inbound) in play and their mapping pgm involved.
Hope this was helpful and any add ons are also welcomed.
- Teresa -
Business service and business system
Can someone please tell me what is the difference between business service and business system and in which cases are they used respectively?
Hi,
Business System
Business System have an entry in the SLD and Buiness Service do not.
Business Systems are used when you are sending data to and from an R3 system and can be of ABAP, JAVA and Third Party Types.
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business Service :
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation.
Business Service and Business System difference:-
What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?
Difference between Business System and Business Service.
Difference between Business System and Business Service
Thanks,
Satya -
Service interface not listed in business system in ID.
Hi Experts,
In my QA system service interfaces are not listed in business system in ID, i have added product and SWCV in SLD and i am still unable to see the service interfaces of SWCV that i have added. i have done SLD and CPA cache refresh, restarted the QA system but still unable to resolve the issue.
Please suggest how to resolve this issue.Hi Venu,
i have done SLD and CPA cache refresh, restarted the QA system but still unable to resolve the issue.
Try if "Compare from SLD" works? This can be accessed by going to ID -> double-click business system -> communication component -> adapter specific identifiers
Regards,
Mark -
Business Service -- Business System
Hi all,
I've read several tutorials about scenarios in XI and have seen that sometimes business services are used and in some cases they use business systems to implement a communication partner. When do I use business services and when do I use business systems?
Thanks in advance and regards,
MarcHi Marc,
You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
Business System is always configured in SLD and you use it when you have all the data you need to connect to the partner system
Michal: correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
Padmaja -
i have scenario SOAP to IDOC
when i'm using business service in sender side it is getting an error as follows
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
in this i'm using altova spy as testing tool
my sender interface is asynchronous
but when i'm using business system everything is working fine
In sender side i'm using soap adapter,i checked the logical system everything is fine
mainly the problem is why it is working when i'm using business system rather than business service
my pi version is pi 7.0
thanks in advance
regards
satishHi Satish,
You are sending IDOC's to SAP system right. we should create Business system not business service.
so we should create the business system as web AS ABAP in SLD and import the same in ID.
When we create the business system in SLD the logical system name is assigned for the business system. like SAPCLNT100...It plays a key role in IDOC scenarios.
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
Reasons for this issue is
1) logical system name is unable to read from SLD for that corresponding business system.
Goto business system click on Adapter specific identifiers from the menu --> read from SLD.
it will automatically fetch the logical system name from the SLD.
2) Sometimes the logical system name will be deleted from the business system in SLD.
Delete the business system and re-create it, and follow the above procedure.it will resolve your issue.
Regards
Bhargava Krishna -
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
Hi to all,
I want to know the best practice for using Business Service and Business System, Then
When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory? Can any one give me suggestion for me .
Thanks,
Vikram.C.Hi Vikram,
>>Business System: It represent a specific application System in the SLD.
Business Service: It represents an abstract service and are used in Cross Company Process.
>>When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory?
Its purely used in the Cross Company Process, i.e. whenever you are communicating with external system.
regards
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