Calling all Lightroom wizards - aka a converter for all seasons!
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I have been using Lightroom since b2 and absolutely love it, but deep down there has always been a little part of me that believes it could do RAW conversions better.
THE ISSUE:
I know that for some images one converter works better than another, but i am beggining to think that during autumn (or fall, for my american cousins!) I will have to do all conversions in capture NX.
Take a look at this link showing two images, one from NX with lovely rusty reds, yellows and browns, the other my best attempt to replicate the colours in Lightroom.
resized images:
http://homepage.mac.com/thegentleman/lightroom/full_images.jpg
100% crops:
http://homepage.mac.com/thegentleman/lightroom/100_crop_images.jpg
No matter how i try and tweak the image in lightroom (and i have tried every permutation i know) i cant avoid getting muddy greens in the darker areas of the long grass, where NX gives lovely reddish browns. I know different converters start off with different 'looks', but i would have thought it possible to get nice deep reds in the shadows in Lightroom, but i am at the point where i now beleive it is impossible to replicate the wonderful colours i can get in NX.
THE CHALLENGE:
If you think i'm talking out of my backside (*** - us), or would just like to show me the error of my ways, i have provided the .nef file on the link below. If you can replicate the colours in the NX version you will never want for a drink in London ever again*
http://homepage.mac.com/thegentleman/lightroom/_DSC7967.nef
I dont want to get into discussions about which rendering people prefer, that is purely subjective. The issue here is that Lightroom doesnt seem to be able to render an image in the way i would like, and lets face it, i am only asking for certain colours, its not like this should be a round trip to PS for 'special' editing or anything!
Thanks for reading, and a even bigger thank you to anyone who tries, let alone succeeds, in this challenge.
Ta,
Nick.
PS - yes i have tried things like the Nikon Color mode IIIa preset as a starting point
PPS - i have also seen another member of this forum mention simmilar colour issues but without resolution. please give the file a try!
* subject to my own, as yet to be written, fair use policy
Nick,
It's great to see all the participation on this one issue. I'm sure Jeff will be back and qualify his off-the-fly response!? ; ) Must have been having a bad day or not enough time to couch his blunt comment in a more genteel way... or maybe that's the way he is in emailogue?
I appreciated David's posting the whole image at his site. I do concur with John about the green fringeing on the guy's forearm. In this situation, are we talking about limitations of the CCD color reception and the additive nature of the algorithms needed to replace what is never recorded? I use an X3F-based chip camera (SD-10 and Polaroid x530). I've been finding some irregularities (i.e. brighter quadrant than another) in sensor sensitivity, in the case of the SD-10, as I've been documenting Moroccan-weaved carpets (been using my old, Kodak gray/color card to calibrate).
I have started to delve into the development process of LightRoom and have been trying to work at getting accuracy in the color, too. This discussion will greatly help me in isolating the variables and hone in on the essentials.
The neutral in the cloud, it seems, will be our only objective marker to help us get as close to reality as possible, since there is no other known value available (e.g. a good patch of green, a gray card, or the revealed palms of our friend in the picture) . These other tweaks will help us with the subjective aspect of the image and help convey the shock, awe, warmth, beauty and feeling our audience (us?) will come to appreciate (this "feeling" is where marketing, advertising, and presentation thrive).
It sounds like we're right back to the color space issues we had to deal with between the celluloid, camera, and paper! Color and light are back as our capricious lovers! So many variables to contend with when we chase the holy grail of the ultimate image, aren't there!?
All I wanted to do, here, was to find out where I could submit an icon idea for LightRoom (the other one is a bit static - LR) and I got stuck into this fascinating thread! I wonder no more where all my time goes!!
Sorry, this is not a technical tackling of your thread, more a philosophical one as a spectator cheering the practitioners on!
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